Home | Community | Message Board

Out-Grow.com - Mushroom Growing Kits & Supplies
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | Next >  [ show all ]
Offlinecubies77
Stranger


Registered: 10/11/09
Posts: 107
Last seen: 12 years, 7 months
Police and what you can do to stop them
    #11379898 - 11/03/09 08:31 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

One of my relatives told me that he was pulled over the other day for speeding. He's a rebellious young adult with a mowhawk and tattoos. The cop asked him if he could search his car, and he said "No, I have to go to work". The cop said that saying no to a search request was probable cause to search the car. He then searched the car and found nothing.

Now this is outrageous!

The cop would have searched his car regardless of his response, which is clearly an infringement on his rights as an American citizen.

After watching the videos (can be found here, or in the sticky in this board) about not talking to cops when they pull you over, what would have been the appropriate response to a situation like this and what can you do to prevent it?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRazzleCap
Punkass Trippin


Registered: 10/28/09
Posts: 203
Loc: ghetto :(
Last seen: 11 years, 2 days
Re: Police and what you can do to stop them [Re: cubies77]
    #11380036 - 11/03/09 08:56 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

There really isn't a way. If you can, get the badge number or the name and lodge a complaint. Saying, "I never consent to searches, officer," or another "nice" way will sometimes get you a pass.

Check out nevergetbusted.com for some advice.


--------------------
"If the words 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on."

"Let us declare nature to be legitimate. All plants should be declared legal, and all animals for that matter. The notion of illegal plants and animals is obnoxious and ridiculous."

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineAlan RockefellerM
Mycologist
Male User Gallery

Registered: 03/10/07
Posts: 48,392
Last seen: 2 days, 23 hours
Re: Police and what you can do to stop them [Re: cubies77]
    #11380166 - 11/03/09 09:19 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

The cop said that saying no to a search request was probable cause to search the car.





Not true. 

Definitely try to talk your friend into filing a complaint.

Justice will probably remain elusive, however.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offline2859558484
Growery is Better
 User Gallery


Registered: 01/10/06
Posts: 8,752
Last seen: 3 years, 8 months
Re: Police and what you can do to stop them [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #11380360 - 11/03/09 09:50 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

i hate that mentality. when you apply whats left of your constitutional rights they see that as almost an admission of guilt.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineWronguy

Registered: 03/05/05
Posts: 4,450
Last seen: 12 years, 10 months
Re: Police and what you can do to stop them [Re: 2859558484]
    #11382190 - 11/04/09 08:22 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

When dealing with LEO that act in this manner, assuming you're clean at the time, I would take a stand immediately and demand a supervisor come on scene. Prevent the officer from searching even if that means physically blocking him from entering your vehicle. I'm not saying to restrain the officer, but simply putting your body in front of him with a call placed to 911 will definitely be a deterrent.

When you're on the phone with 911, simply state that a LEO is on scene and illegally searching your vehicle. At the minimum, other officers will arrive on scene and this may generate additional discussion on the legality of the search when you're not consenting. I highly recommend you study up on the law and at the very least learn how to file lawsuits. I have a friend who has been studying law for the last 3 years and has effectively learned his constitutional rights. He routinely files and wins lawsuits in civil court.

A citizen stands up for his rights! Don't let them victimize you.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineAlan RockefellerM
Mycologist
Male User Gallery

Registered: 03/10/07
Posts: 48,392
Last seen: 2 days, 23 hours
Re: Police and what you can do to stop them [Re: Wronguy]
    #11383490 - 11/04/09 12:22 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Prevent the officer from searching even if that means physically blocking him from entering your vehicle.




That could end badly.

Calling 911 on the police would be awesome though.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offline2859558484
Growery is Better
 User Gallery


Registered: 01/10/06
Posts: 8,752
Last seen: 3 years, 8 months
Re: Police and what you can do to stop them [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #11383878 - 11/04/09 01:16 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

yeah dont try anything physical, lol
you could be the next taser death


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblerod
Ψ
 User Gallery

Registered: 06/29/05
Posts: 3,727
Re: Police and what you can do to stop them [Re: 2859558484]
    #11387836 - 11/04/09 09:28 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

You own the government, they do not own the citizens.

Stand up and guard your rights at ever moment of your life, it does not come
without hardships but well worth it.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinelearningtofly
Ancient Aliens
Male


Registered: 05/21/07
Posts: 15,105
Loc: Out of this world
Last seen: 12 years, 9 months
Re: Police and what you can do to stop them [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #11396329 - 11/06/09 07:53 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Alan Rockefeller said:
Quote:

The cop said that saying no to a search request was probable cause to search the car.





Not true. 

Definitely try to talk your friend into filing a complaint.

Justice will probably remain elusive, however.




Yeah the Supreme Court and others have explicitly stated that saying no it and of itself is not probable cause to search. Although you have a diminished expectation of privacy in a vehicle, it is still not grounds for probable cause. Also they cannot search you based purely on a traffic violation.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinelearningtofly
Ancient Aliens
Male


Registered: 05/21/07
Posts: 15,105
Loc: Out of this world
Last seen: 12 years, 9 months
Re: Police and what you can do to stop them [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #11396336 - 11/06/09 07:56 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Alan Rockefeller said:
Quote:

Prevent the officer from searching even if that means physically blocking him from entering your vehicle.




That could end badly.

Calling 911 on the police would be awesome though.




yeah that is probably like the worst possible advice to give (physically blocking him) unless you are trying to get yourself beat and charged with assaulting an officer on top of whatever else you're doing, not to mention that physically blocking them would most likely add to their probable cause.


--------------------

Edited by learningtofly (11/06/09 07:56 AM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Anonymous #1

Re: Police and what you can do to stop them [Re: learningtofly]
    #11400712 - 11/06/09 08:14 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

if a officer asks you if he can search your vehicle, politely ask him if you are being issued a citation. If he says no, simply say 'good day, officer' and drive off. If he says yes, then politely request your citation. If he implys that he hasn't decided yet, politely remind him that some may construe that as duress.

Once an officer has either given you a citation or told you that you will not be given one, you are free to leave. Everyone always banters about giving/refusing consent to search, but it is your right to remain silent and not answer his question either in the affirmative or negative.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineall_for_war
Stranger

Registered: 10/28/09
Posts: 326
Last seen: 14 years, 3 months
Re: Police and what you can do to stop them [Re: RazzleCap]
    #11400902 - 11/06/09 08:52 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

cubies77 said:
One of my relatives told me that he was pulled over the other day for speeding. He's a rebellious young adult with a mowhawk and tattoos. The cop asked him if he could search his car, and he said "No, I have to go to work". The cop said that saying no to a search request was probable cause to search the car. He then searched the car and found nothing.

Now this is outrageous!

The cop would have searched his car regardless of his response, which is clearly an infringement on his rights as an American citizen.

After watching the videos (can be found here, or in the sticky in this board) about not talking to cops when they pull you over, what would have been the appropriate response to a situation like this and what can you do to prevent it?



let me just say that the cop didnt pull him over because he was speeding.
Quote:

RazzleCap said:
There really isn't a way. If you can, get the badge number or the name and lodge a complaint. Saying, "I never consent to searches, officer," or another "nice" way will sometimes get you a pass.

Check out nevergetbusted.com for some advice.



yeah filing a complaint is your best bet.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMchaggis
cawbstawmper
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 05/28/09
Posts: 5,307
Loc: 'Bama Ghost Country Flag
Last seen: 2 years, 11 months
Re: Police and what you can do to stop them [Re: cubies77]
    #11400928 - 11/06/09 08:57 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I once told a cop "no" to a search. Guy was pretty cool about it.

"So you mind if I search your vehicle?"

"Yeah, yeah I kinda do."

"You do? Well, why?

"It's my dad's truck, he's usually drivin' it so..."

"Oh, okay, all right."

He then proceeded to look really hard at everything in my truck with his flashlight through my windows.

And left with a "Okay, drive safe."


--------------------
I am on a drug. It's called Charlie Sheen. It's not available because if you try it once, you will die. Your face will melt off and your children will weep over your exploded body

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinejackgreen
JG
Male
Registered: 05/08/03
Posts: 735
Last seen: 7 years, 9 months
Re: Police and what you can do to stop them [Re: Mchaggis]
    #11401080 - 11/06/09 09:33 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I would recommend for everyone to buy a cheap digital audio recorder to keep in your car. Change the batteries periodically.  This could be the difference between your freedom and their word.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinelearningtofly
Ancient Aliens
Male


Registered: 05/21/07
Posts: 15,105
Loc: Out of this world
Last seen: 12 years, 9 months
Re: Police and what you can do to stop them [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #11401128 - 11/06/09 09:44 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous said:
if a officer asks you if he can search your vehicle, politely ask him if you are being issued a citation. If he says no, simply say 'good day, officer' and drive off. If he says yes, then politely request your citation. If he implys that he hasn't decided yet, politely remind him that some may construe that as duress.

Once an officer has either given you a citation or told you that you will not be given one, you are free to leave. Everyone always banters about giving/refusing consent to search, but it is your right to remain silent and not answer his question either in the affirmative or negative.




you can't just drive off. please stop giving misinformation. You can drive away if it's a casual chat but being pulled over constitutes a stop which requires reasonable suspicion (or a traffic violation) in which case you are not free to leave.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offline2859558484
Growery is Better
 User Gallery


Registered: 01/10/06
Posts: 8,752
Last seen: 3 years, 8 months
Re: Police and what you can do to stop them [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #11402335 - 11/07/09 02:09 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous said:
if a officer asks you if he can search your vehicle, politely ask him if you are being issued a citation. If he says no, simply say 'good day, officer' and drive off. If he says yes, then politely request your citation. If he implys that he hasn't decided yet, politely remind him that some may construe that as duress.

Once an officer has either given you a citation or told you that you will not be given one, you are free to leave. Everyone always banters about giving/refusing consent to search, but it is your right to remain silent and not answer his question either in the affirmative or negative.




lol


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleStonehenge
Alt Center
Male User Gallery
Registered: 06/20/04
Posts: 14,850
Loc: S.E.
Re: Police and what you can do to stop them [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #11411547 - 11/08/09 02:23 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

if a officer asks you if he can search your vehicle, politely ask him if you are being issued a citation. If he says no, simply say 'good day, officer' and drive off. If he says yes, then politely request your citation. If he implys that he hasn't decided yet, politely remind him that some may construe that as duress.

Once an officer has either given you a citation or told you that you will not be given one, you are free to leave. Everyone always banters about giving/refusing consent to search, but it is your right to remain silent and not answer his question either in the affirmative or negative.




If a cop is detaining you, you can't just leave. After asking if you are getting a citation, ask if you are being detained and why. If you don't get a straight answer, keep asking if you are being detained or not and why. Simply say "am i free to leave?" They will generally give you an answer and then you can leave. But if he says "i have a few more questions" then you are being detained. You are however under no obligation to answer him/her. Just leaving can be grounds to arrest you for resisting arrest even though he was not arresting you at the time you tried to leave. And then he can search you all he likes after the arrest.


--------------------
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.” (attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville political philosopher Circa 1835)

Trade list http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18047755

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Anonymous #2

Re: Police and what you can do to stop them [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #11411940 - 11/08/09 03:32 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous said:
if a officer asks you if he can search your vehicle, politely ask him if you are being issued a citation. If he says no, simply say 'good day, officer' and drive off. If he says yes, then politely request your citation. If he implys that he hasn't decided yet, politely remind him that some may construe that as duress.

Once an officer has either given you a citation or told you that you will not be given one, you are free to leave. Everyone always banters about giving/refusing consent to search, but it is your right to remain silent and not answer his question either in the affirmative or negative.




You CAN'T do that.  You WILL get arrested and you will be in huge trouble.  You must first ask the officer if you are being detained, and if he says no, then you must ask if you are free to go on your way.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Anonymous #3

Re: Police and what you can do to stop them [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #11433518 - 11/11/09 02:02 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Lets not forget these motherfuckers love to ask you trick questions to get you to consent. I know from experience.

If they say: "Do you mind if I search your car?" Do not say yes or no because if you say "no" that means you don't mind but if you say "yes" he'll take that as consenting. So say "I refuse to consent to a search with out a warrant." Remind him of your constitutional rights and be polite and tell him you have to piss really bad and must be going or someother excuse but don't be rude.

They'll also try to inform you that such actions you make or the situation means probably cause and they'll say they could search right now if they want too. Or they'll say "Why wont you let me search your car if you dont have anything illegal in your car?" NEVER consent. even if they do without your consent and find shit and arrest you, the charges could be easily wiped out in court.

Another thing is, if you are on probation, you don't have the right to refuse. So never carry drugs if you or someone you are with is on probation.

These are viscious egg-sucking sons of bitches who will stop at nothing to earn more points on their badge, so don't even get pulled over in the first place.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineHoobashank
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 05/28/09
Posts: 86
Last seen: 11 years, 11 months
Re: Police and what you can do to stop them [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #11435947 - 11/11/09 07:07 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

If a cop asked me "Why wont you let me search if you dont have anything illegal on you" my answer will simple be:
"you are correct sir, i do not have anything illegal on me, therefore there is no NEED for you to search my vehicle."

Edited by Hoobashank (11/11/09 07:07 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | Next >  [ show all ]


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Court Opens Door To Searches Without Warrants
( 1 2 all )
valour 2,595 22 03/30/04 09:58 PM
by JuanMatus
* the cop's arm span search
( 1 2 all )
four20snakeman 4,647 25 01/29/04 03:11 PM
by Magus
* Was I illegally searched by the cop? snaxstix 1,740 15 04/05/04 07:17 AM
by Seuss
* car searches John 1,608 13 04/02/04 01:36 PM
by John
* Police interrogation techniques: Their view. Randolph_Carter 1,172 0 05/15/04 12:19 PM
by Randolph_Carter
* Search Warrant etard 2,415 17 10/22/03 11:35 AM
by downforpot
* How likely are police to follow tip offs? pazuzu 1,898 7 04/28/04 10:18 PM
by baraka
* cops/search warrants Anonymous 1,267 2 03/29/04 11:04 AM
by Seuss

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Enlil, Alan Rockefeller
984 topic views. 0 members, 0 guests and 1 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.026 seconds spending 0.006 seconds on 17 queries.