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The Golden Rule
    #11379083 - 11/03/09 08:40 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

If your abstractions are divorced from observable concretes then you are probably talking bullshit.


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Re: The Golden Rule [Re: RationalEgo]
    #11379090 - 11/03/09 08:41 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Amen (most likely):laugh:


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Re: The Golden Rule [Re: RationalEgo]
    #11379094 - 11/03/09 08:41 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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RationalEgo said:
If your abstractions are divorced from observable concretes then you are probably talking bullshit.



This seems like a pretty abstract statement.


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Re: The Golden Rule [Re: Silversoul]
    #11379110 - 11/03/09 08:42 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Silversoul said:
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RationalEgo said:
If your abstractions are divorced from observable concretes then you are probably talking bullshit.



This seems like a pretty abstract statement.




Or in SS case, if you have no idea what an abstraction is.


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Re: The Golden Rule [Re: RationalEgo]
    #11379112 - 11/03/09 08:43 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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RationalEgo said:
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Silversoul said:
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RationalEgo said:
If your abstractions are divorced from observable concretes then you are probably talking bullshit.



This seems like a pretty abstract statement.




Or in SS case, if you have no idea what an abstraction is.



Poor little ignorant me.  Perhaps you'd like to explain it to me, professor?


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Re: The Golden Rule [Re: RationalEgo]
    #11379130 - 11/03/09 08:46 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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RationalEgo said:
If your abstractions are divorced from observable concretes then you are probably talking bullshit.



I respectfully disagree... Unless it involves Religion.


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Re: The Golden Rule [Re: Sellith]
    #11379279 - 11/03/09 09:03 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

In this case the abstractions I refer to with the golden rule are the concepts of "Truth" and "Proof". (I am not going to get into the subject of concept formation in this thread. I'll save that for another fun day).

The concretes that prove the golden rule are, well, most of the posts in this forum and in the Mysticism and Paranormal forum of course. :wink:


Edited by RationalEgo (11/03/09 09:18 PM)


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Re: The Golden Rule [Re: RationalEgo]
    #11379644 - 11/03/09 10:00 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Yawn


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Re: The Golden Rule [Re: andrewss]
    #11379865 - 11/03/09 10:27 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Yawn




I guess to some people the pursuit of truth is more boring than the pursuit of fairytale fantasies/floating abstractions. :shrug:


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Re: The Golden Rule [Re: RationalEgo]
    #11379892 - 11/03/09 10:30 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Don't forget the 'To each their own.' rule! :nono:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: The Golden Rule [Re: Poid]
    #11379999 - 11/03/09 10:50 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

poid the 2nd picture in your sig is just... no i would not.


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Re: The Golden Rule [Re: learningtofly]
    #11380024 - 11/03/09 10:54 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

she looks like she's 15 :undecided:


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Re: The Golden Rule [Re: RationalEgo]
    #11380077 - 11/03/09 11:03 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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RationalEgo said:
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andrewss said:
Yawn




I guess to some people the pursuit of truth is more boring than the pursuit of fairytale fantasies/floating abstractions. :shrug:




Somethings have their place... but yeah sure I agree with that general sentiment its just not a sufficient style going about it. But I am a picky mofugga :crazy2:

:gethigh:



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Re: The Golden Rule [Re: RationalEgo]
    #11380157 - 11/03/09 11:17 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Man, I wish I could tell people this straight up.  My aunt is in to all sorts of new-age quakery.  Yesterday she wanted to know what I thought (as the family science guy) about the "new biology", and I had to dance around what I thought about it so as not bruise her ego.  :rolleyes:


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Re: The Golden Rule [Re: Poid]
    #11380182 - 11/03/09 11:22 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Poid said:
Don't forget the 'To each their own.' rule! :nono:




By this do you mean you want to screw that twelve year old in your sig? :ban:


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Re: The Golden Rule [Re: youbreakyoubuy]
    #11380205 - 11/03/09 11:26 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Man, I wish I could tell people this straight up.  My aunt is in to all sorts of new-age quakery.  Yesterday she wanted to know what I thought (as the family science guy) about the "new biology", and I had to dance around what I thought about it so as not bruise her ego.  :rolleyes:




You should just tell her straight up what you think. You'd be surprised how well people respond to honesty.


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Re: The Golden Rule [Re: RationalEgo]
    #11380226 - 11/03/09 11:31 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

ah, there enters my personality flaw:  I abhor any type of conflict

I did sort of hint at it in an email that I sent her :shrug:


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Re: The Golden Rule [Re: RationalEgo]
    #11381435 - 11/04/09 03:52 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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RationalEgo said:
If your abstractions are divorced from observable concretes then you are probably talking bullshit.




I think this ties in with the general tendency that: if you are a human making a claim about something absolute, most people will think you are talking bullshit.

Observable concretes allow people to avoid talking bullshit because this way they can be confirmed by someone who is more informed and multicultured and thus can provide a better explination (for most people).

However, since it is not true that : if your abstractions are tied in with observable concretes then you are probably not talking bullshit

it follows that teh tendency you have shown (this apparent 'golden rule') has little to do with the bullshit/nobullshit nature of abstraction in general and more to do with the ability of people in to make abstractions that can be agreed with by other people on earth.

outsourcing premises to observable concretes increases the likelihood that ideosyncracies of an individual's abstraction can be avoided.


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Re: The Golden Rule [Re: Noteworthy]
    #11381534 - 11/04/09 04:51 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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RationalEgo said:
If your abstractions are divorced from observable concretes then you are probably talking bullshit.




I think this ties in with the general tendency that: if you are a human making a claim about something absolute, most people will think you are talking bullshit.

Observable concretes allow people to avoid talking bullshit because this way they can be confirmed by someone who is more informed and multicultured and thus can provide a better explination (for most people).





This makes no sense. How is it that someone who is more 'multi-cultured' in a better position to understand and communicate truth than someone who is not? Abstractions are the way a human mind can relate to concretes in reality.

If your abstractions are not based on concretes then it is a fact that what you are talking about (unless the concrete has somehow become extinct from reality and is no longer observable) IS bullshit.

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However, since it is not true that : if your abstractions are tied in with observable concretes then you are probably not talking bullshit

it follows that teh tendency you have shown (this apparent 'golden rule') has little to do with the bullshit/nobullshit nature of abstraction in general and more to do with the ability of people in to make abstractions that can be agreed with by other people on earth.





Truth is not arrived at by 'consensus'. For example, many scientists during WW2 signed a document to state that Einstein was collaborating with the Jews in order to invalidate his work. This does not make it true. Many people believe in God, this does not make it true. Your logic is flawed.

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outsourcing premises to observable concretes increases the likelihood that ideosyncracies of an individual's abstraction can be avoided.




It is not 'outsourcing'. Abstractions should always be formed from concretes. If your abstractions are disconnected from reality, from concretes, then the abstraction is floating and has no validity.

"Abstractions as such do not exist: they are merely man’s epistemological method of perceiving that which exists—and that which exists is concrete." -AR

I was also thinking about mental illness in a philisophical context and may have truck upon an interesting parralell that outlines my case. If one observes a psychotics behaviour of any description it is 'noteworthy' that to the extent to which the persons abstractions are disconnected from concretes is the extent to which the person has lost his 'grip' on reality.

A psychotic 'break' is in philosophical sense when ones abstractions have 'broken from' and are not relating to concrete reality.


Edited by RationalEgo (11/04/09 05:04 AM)


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Re: The Golden Rule [Re: Noteworthy]
    #11381541 - 11/04/09 04:55 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

On another note Noteworthy, I nominated you for the moderator position and was wondering if you were chosen would you accept the role or not?


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