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Offlineakira_akuma
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tell me how the world isn't fucked and...
    #11374995 - 11/03/09 08:48 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

tell me how in being a heroin junkie, i can't achieve the same overall happiness that anyone will aquire over the course of their lives.

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Re: tell me how the world isn't fucked and... [Re: akira_akuma]
    #11375008 - 11/03/09 08:52 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

akira_akuma said:
tell me how in being a heroin junkie, i can't achieve the same overall happiness that anyone will aquire over the course of their lives.

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I wouldn't dare dispute your contention. How would I know or could I know what would make someone else happy. I'm guessing if you do it right you could be fairly content. Trouble with junk and a lot of other things that become addictions most folk let other aspects of their lives that need to be taken care of drop away. Then the shit hits the fan big time.


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Re: tell me how the world isn't fucked and... [Re: Icelander]
    #11375051 - 11/03/09 09:04 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

true. ok, well what if i was a pothead instead. i've contributed nothing to society other then my own habit of smoking weed and working for this habit. i can clearly take care of my job, my family and friends to the best of my abilites, and my self. what else do i have to contribute in order to be happier then the junkhead?


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Re: tell me how the world isn't fucked and... [Re: akira_akuma]
    #11375067 - 11/03/09 09:07 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Why do you think you have to contribute with anything to society, or to anything else, in order to be happy?


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Re: tell me how the world isn't fucked and... [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #11375079 - 11/03/09 09:13 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

i'm pretty sure i'd be content alone but... i'd think that you'd (me but not me) surely need someone with you to be happy. so do i think you have to contribute to SOMETHING to be happy, well yes i do


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Re: tell me how the world isn't fucked and... [Re: akira_akuma]
    #11375098 - 11/03/09 09:23 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Happiness that depends on outside factors doesn't last, and the prospect of losing it can create great distress and anxiety. If and when you do lose this kind of happiness, you're forced to be alone with yourself, and if you don't have anything consitent inside yourself, something to keep you balanced and peaceful, then you'll have to face your emtiness.
However, if you manage to find happiness within yourself, then you won't need anyone around you, and you'll be free to have someone around not because of an urge, but because of your own will.


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Re: tell me how the world isn't fucked and... [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #11375130 - 11/03/09 09:38 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

shit, i have people trying to will their way into my life... for the fact that they think i'm some know it all who just because of my will to carry on an open ended conversation without egotistical or empty minded dribble and then expect to have me carry on with them from everything to their void concepts to their snowburried whited-out experimental personas that in my opinion aren't "worth their weight" so to speak.

run down a list from everyone whom i've ever known hold about 4 or 5 people who can understand that me on a day to day although not unhappy... is deeply agitated at even the most typical things... thusly aggravating me even further like... jeez... you're life is devoted to nothing but your work and play and do even know which is which? do you know when to act? argh... you seem pretty good at this e-help stuff. does any of this make sense to you?

i am almost never confused about trivialites such as what people are thinking about or doing in concern with me of course... there faces and mannerisms speak volumes and don't just say i'm anxious or paranoid because i don't have a problem speaking my mind or nor do i feel judged for anything anyone says or does to me. it's almost always been good but still utterly useless.


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Re: tell me how the world isn't fucked and... [Re: akira_akuma]
    #11375159 - 11/03/09 09:54 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
true. ok, well what if i was a pothead instead. i've contributed nothing to society other then my own habit of smoking weed and working for this habit. i can clearly take care of my job, my family and friends to the best of my abilites, and my self. what else do i have to contribute in order to be happier then the junkhead?




Let me give you my favorite made up definition of neurosis.

"Expecting the world to conform to your personal expectations and desires"

Herein lies the problem.


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Re: tell me how the world isn't fucked and... [Re: Icelander]
    #11375168 - 11/03/09 09:56 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

how about expecting one to conform to the expectations and desires of another? isn't that just as unjustifiable a delusion?

everyone in the world doesn't know one another so you can't really conform to what the world wants anyways.

ahhh, and what of delusion? people treat it like a snake in the grass, trying to beat it out of people. but yet, don't we all want less delusive ideals like communism and democracy? yet we still have all the same ideals still.... makes me think that it's not in the weeding out of delusion that will over-all help a person or society.


Edited by akira_akuma (11/03/09 10:03 AM)


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Re: tell me how the world isn't fucked and... [Re: akira_akuma]
    #11375184 - 11/03/09 10:04 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I'm talking about you. You expect others and the world to conform to your expectations of how things should be.


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Re: tell me how the world isn't fucked and... [Re: Icelander]
    #11375203 - 11/03/09 10:11 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

why would you assume? do you know of some intrinsic denominator to calculate when someone is expecting something? or wether they expecting anything but the unexpected? or what? that's what it seems like you are deducing to me. like you want to pigeon hole me... even if that is not your intent.

and like i said... people come to me with expections. not the other way around. am i to assume that they too are posturing, expecting fools and they play the game like i, when in fact i tell people all the time look at me... i'm not what you think and watch out! i'm a person with mean undercurrent don't let me take advantage of you. they eat it up like oh shit, we need not do anything around this guy! shooting the shit? oh no, i suck at it. perspective and viewpoints, easily "swayible" by a question. and yet i'm the person who is markedly being expectant? i don't want anything to be influenced by me, damn it.


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Re: tell me how the world isn't fucked and... [Re: akira_akuma]
    #11375217 - 11/03/09 10:16 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I based it off your posts. And when people come to you you seem to have expectations of how they should act. If you want I can provide examples from your posts.


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Re: tell me how the world isn't fucked and... [Re: Icelander]
    #11375236 - 11/03/09 10:21 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

i'd love for you to show me


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Re: tell me how the world isn't fucked and... [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #11375243 - 11/03/09 10:23 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

You sound so dramatic and ascetic.  If I could have anything I wanted I would never be unhappy.


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Re: tell me how the world isn't fucked and... [Re: xFrockx]
    #11375264 - 11/03/09 10:29 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

dramatics nor asceticism are bad for me... or are they?


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Re: tell me how the world isn't fucked and... [Re: akira_akuma]
    #11375291 - 11/03/09 10:36 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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tell me how in being a heroin junkie, i can't achieve the same overall happiness that anyone will aquire over the course of their lives.

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Because heroin is so good that it's very, very easy to eventually be doing nothing but heroin.  Soon tolerance builds, you'll become physically and psychologically addicted, and then it all it takes is for your source to get busted or for you to run out of money to experience the Hell that comes part in parcel with opiate Heaven.  This is not to mention the possibility of getting busted yourself (from what I hear kicking the habit cold turkey in jail is quite the experience), the possibility of ODing when your tolerance rises to the point where you're getting all the side effects of respiratory depression and none of the euphoria, the possibility of slowly poisoning your body with whatever additives are thrown into your impure H, and the possibility that pleasure is not synonymous with happiness--is a life spent nodding out on a couch really that meaningful for you?  Which would make you happier; being free to do as you please or being a slave to the addiction?


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Re: tell me how the world isn't fucked and... [Re: deCypher]
    #11375318 - 11/03/09 10:41 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

good answer.

i wouldn't want to a smackhead for so long would i? even if id did seem like the way to go. obvious...

now about what makes a person happy other then hedonistic tendancies. like making babies or wait... no... relationships... yeah, lets leave the why procreate question for later (not nesscessary, i know) and insted i'll ask why have a relationship at all? obviously to not just share in transmitted ecstasy to feel good, right?


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Re: tell me how the world isn't fucked and... [Re: akira_akuma]
    #11375334 - 11/03/09 10:44 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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i wouldn't want to a smackhead for so long would i?




You probably wouldn't want to after the initial honeymoon period with the drug is over, but the nature of addiction is that you would keep on using until you can overcome your primal desire for more pleasure.  This is very difficult.

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akira_akuma said: why have a relationship at all?




Because it's nice to be able to grow old with someone (not to mention the hedonistic benefits of sex).  Dying alone would be horrible IMO.


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Re: tell me how the world isn't fucked and... [Re: akira_akuma]
    #11375351 - 11/03/09 10:48 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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i'd love for you to show me




some know it all who just because of my will to carry on an open ended conversation without egotistical or empty minded dribble and then expect to have me carry on with them from everything to their void concepts to their snowburried whited-out experimental personas

If you can't see  your expectations of how others should be or behave toward you here then I do. Any negative judgment of who another person is or how they act is a value judgment based in neurosis imo.

But i'm not "picking" on you. I do it myself all the time.


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Re: tell me how the world isn't fucked and... [Re: Icelander]
    #11375357 - 11/03/09 10:49 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

i have love hate relationship with everyone it seems.

i've known this as fact for awhile now... bring my car around, i feel to smash it, i say.


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