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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Depression [Re: Ahimsa]
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Of course 'everything' is natural because it all happens within nature

:thumbup: That's all I was sayin


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Depression [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
Ahimsa said:
Poid said:
:assimilate:


What is wrong with saying that to forget your clarity and openness of mind because of predispositions, beliefs, discriminations, and such is a loss of freedom of mind?

You're not following the "To each their own." rule. :nono:


Ofcourse i do! You can stuff your mind with all that you want, but i say that you might forget to appreciate your mind for what it is in its 'basic' kind of 'on-its-own' state of being. I believe that we all have the same mind just as much as we all have the same eyes... you know like 'seeing things' well here is the 'minding' thing.

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Re: Depression [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Of course 'everything' is natural because it all happens within nature

:thumbup: That's all I was sayin



Well then, about this depression. Wouldn't it be at the same time be a cure and the curing if we could remember our 'natural' state of mind from time to time when we are depressed?

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Re: Depression [Re: Ahimsa]
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Ahimsa said:
I believe that we all have the same mind just as much as we all have the same eyes... you know like 'seeing things' well here is the 'minding' thing.

:crazy2:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Depression [Re: Poid]
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this thread is :popcorn:

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Re: Depression [Re: deranger]
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:yesnod:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Depression [Re: Ahimsa]
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Ahimsa said:
Icelander said:
Natural state of mind is the mind as it comes 'out of the box'.

Nobody has a mind like this after two seconds of life.:lol:


Wrong. This mind is always like that. It is like the clouds covering the sky. Mind is like that, our thoughts make us forget to look at our mind and recognise its 'natural' clarity. Instead we are looking at our thoughts to find that.


I think your confusing mind with spirit

but some believe the mind is the action of the spirit on the physical brain

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Re: Depression [Re: Life Upon Death]
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:hehehe:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Depression [Re: deranger]
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deranger said:
this thread is :popcorn:


Are you depressed?

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Re: Depression [Re: Life Upon Death]
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oh and while I'm at it

we don't have a soul

we have a spirit

the soul is the result of the physical body/brain acting under the direction of the spirit

we are souls because we are half in half out

the point at which spirit meets physical

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Re: Depression [Re: Ahimsa]
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Ahimsa said:
deranger said:
this thread is :popcorn:


Are you depressed?


ever since binging on tonnes loads of psychedelics, no

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Re: Depression [Re: Life Upon Death]
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Life Upon Death said:
Ahimsa said:
Icelander said:
Natural state of mind is the mind as it comes 'out of the box'.

Nobody has a mind like this after two seconds of life.:lol:


Wrong. This mind is always like that. It is like the clouds covering the sky. Mind is like that, our thoughts make us forget to look at our mind and recognise its 'natural' clarity. Instead we are looking at our thoughts to find that.


I think your confusing mind with spirit

but some believe the mind is the action of the spirit on the physical brain


I would say that your 'spirit' is expressed through the actions of your mind.

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Re: Depression [Re: Life Upon Death]
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Life Upon Death said:
we have a spirit

Prove it.



Life Upon Death said:
the soul is result of the physical body/brain acting under the direction of the spirit

Prove it.



Life Upon Death said:
we are souls because we are half in half out

the point at which spirit meets physical


Prove this stuff.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Depression [Re: Ahimsa]
    #11383300 -

Ahimsa said:
Icelander said:
Of course 'everything' is natural because it all happens within nature

:thumbup: That's all I was sayin



Well then, about this depression. Wouldn't it be at the same time be a cure and the curing if we could remember our 'natural' state of mind from time to time when we are depressed?



Sure if we could do that. I don't believe it's possible in reality. We can improve things however using the mind in the state it's in. Sometimes.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Depression [Re: Ahimsa]
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Ahimsa said:
'Natural state of mind' is lucid, clear and awake. An available mind, ready to encounter anything and deal with it reasonably and morally. A mind not preoccupied with thoughts and such. A healthy mind therefore, not obstructed, not biased, settled into itself. However, i don't think it is easy to develop and maintain this 'healthy mind'.


Blah blah blah.
Come on, you can't possibly expect to be taken seriously when you make statements such as these, that don't have any correspondence with the truth of the matter.
What do you even mean by "a mind not preoccupied with thoughts and such"? How would a mind like this be? The mind, by definition, is always preoccupied with thoughts, unless the brain is dead.


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Depression [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Quote:
Blah blah blah.
Come on, you can't possibly expect to be taken seriously when you make statements such as these, that don't have any correspondence with the truth of the matter.
What do you even mean by "a mind not preoccupied with thoughts and such"? How would a mind like this be? The mind, by definition, is always preoccupied with thoughts, unless the brain is dead.



Allright, now tell me what is you mind like on its own?

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Re: Depression [Re: Ahimsa]
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What do you mean "on it's own"?


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Depression [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
Life Upon Death said:
we have a spirit

Prove it.



Life Upon Death said:
the soul is result of the physical body/brain acting under the direction of the spirit

Prove it.



Life Upon Death said:
we are souls because we are half in half out

the point at which spirit meets physical


Prove this stuff.


spir⋅it
  /ˈspɪrɪt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [spir-it] Show IPA
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–noun
1. the principle of conscious life; the vital principle in humans, animating the body or mediating between body and soul.
2. the incorporeal part of humans: present in spirit though absent in body.
3. the soul regarded as separating from the body at death.
4. conscious, incorporeal being, as opposed to matter: the world of spirit.
5. a supernatural, incorporeal being, esp. one inhabiting a place, object, etc., or having a particular character: evil spirits.
6. a fairy, sprite, or elf.
7. an angel or demon.
8. an attitude or principle that inspires, animates, or pervades thought, feeling, or action: the spirit of reform.
9. (initial capital letter) the divine influence as an agency working in the human heart.
10. a divine, inspiring, or animating being or influence. Num. 11:25; Is. 32:15.
11. (initial capital letter) the third person of the Trinity; Holy Spirit.
12. the soul or heart as the seat of feelings or sentiments, or as prompting to action: a man of broken spirit.
13. spirits, feelings or mood with regard to exaltation or depression: low spirits; good spirits.
14. excellent disposition or attitude in terms of vigor, courage, firmness of intent, etc.; mettle: That's the spirit!
15. temper or disposition: meek in spirit.
16. an individual as characterized by a given attitude, disposition, character, action, etc.: A few brave spirits remained to face the danger.
17. the dominant tendency or character of anything: the spirit of the age.
18. vigorous sense of membership in a group: college spirit.
19. the general meaning or intent of a statement, document, etc. (opposed to letter ): the spirit of the law.
20. Chemistry. the essence or active principle of a substance as extracted in liquid form, esp. by distillation.
21. Often, spirits. a strong distilled alcoholic liquor.
22. Chiefly British. alcohol.
23. Pharmacology. a solution in alcohol of an essential or volatile principle; essence.
24. any of certain subtle fluids formerly supposed to permeate the body.
25. the Spirit, God.

mind
  /maɪnd/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [mahynd] Show IPA
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–noun
1. (in a human or other conscious being) the element, part, substance, or process that reasons, thinks, feels, wills, perceives, judges, etc.: the processes of the human mind.
2. Psychology. the totality of conscious and unconscious mental processes and activities.
3. intellect or understanding, as distinguished from the faculties of feeling and willing; intelligence.
4. a particular instance of the intellect or intelligence, as in a person.
5. a person considered with reference to intellectual power: the greatest minds of the twentieth century.
6. intellectual power or ability.
7. reason, sanity, or sound mental condition: to lose one's mind.
8. a way of thinking and feeling; disposition; temper: a liberal mind.
9. a state of awareness or remembrance: The poem puts me in mind of experiences both new and forgotten.
10. opinion, view, or sentiments: to change one's mind.
11. inclination or desire: to be of a mind to listen.
12. purpose, intention, or will: Let me know your mind in this matter before Tuesday.
13. psychic or spiritual being, as opposed to matter.
14. a conscious or intelligent agency or being: an awareness of a mind ordering the universe.
15. remembrance or recollection; memory: Former days were called to mind.
16. attention; thoughts: He can't keep his mind on his studies.
17. Chiefly South Midland and Southern U.S. notice; attention: When he's like that, just pay him no mind.
18. Roman Catholic Church. a commemoration of a person's death, esp. by a Requiem Mass. Compare month's mind, year's mind.
19. (initial capital letter) Also called Divine Mind. Christian Science. God; the incorporeal source of life, substance, and intelligence. Compare mortal mind.

soul I cannot prove but I trust the word of God on this one:

45So also it is written, "The first (BN)MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL " The (BO)last Adam became a (BP)life-giving spirit.

For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

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Re: Depression [Re: Life Upon Death]
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That's rich! :rofl2:


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Depression [Re: Icelander]
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Quote:
Sure if we could do that. I don't believe it's possible in reality. We can improve things however using the mind in the state it's in. Sometimes.


What about pointing out the improvement of the depression in the difference between a mind more or less occupied with the 'depressing' content? There must be a structural approach like meditation or yoga or whatever, as long as it helps to return the mind to its 'natural' state more or less. So that we can remember our 'free' mind and return to it whenever possible. Well, at least that's how i see it. Thanks for taking the effort to evaluate what i try to say.

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