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Amanita muscaria var. guessowii North East Missouri in June 2k9
    #11373720 - 11/03/09 01:04 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Found this last June under various deciduous trees on top of a hill bordering pasture.  There were around five others that I left undisturbed.  The pictures of the ones that were fully open were blurry.  I remember them coming up in this spot when I was a child so I am sure I am sure I will get another shot at em.

These were a little old but if caught earlier, I would imagine it tasting like happy.  lol Just kidding.  Hearing mixed reports on em.

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Re: Amanita muscaria var. guessowii North East Missouri in June 2k9 [Re: Greegus]
    #11373806 - 11/03/09 01:19 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Cool Find, but I wouldn't eat it even with a confirmed ID, but thats just me.

Beautiful specimen and pics!


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. guessowii North East Missouri in June 2k9 [Re: Twiztidsage]
    #11373820 - 11/03/09 01:21 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

those are not them.


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. guessowii North East Missouri in June 2k9 [Re: vjp]
    #11373851 - 11/03/09 01:26 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Not them?  Then Aspera or flavoconia?


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. guessowii North East Missouri in June 2k9 [Re: vjp]
    #11374099 - 11/03/09 02:24 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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vjp said:
those are not them.





It is looking more like Amanita muscaria var. persicina? 

I hate to do it but here are the blury pics as well.







This one was farther down the hill if I recall.  It was also outside of the edge of the woods taking direct sunlight throughout the day time.  Plus there had been very slight sprinkles the previous day if I recall.  So no warts present.



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Re: Amanita muscaria var. guessowii North East Missouri in June 2k9 [Re: Greegus]
    #11374368 - 11/03/09 03:46 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Looks kind of like Amanita parcivolvata.

I wouldn't eat it.


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. guessowii North East Missouri in June 2k9 [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #11374742 - 11/03/09 07:11 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I think that it's Amanita flavorubens; just "yellower" then you usually see them.


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. guessowii North East Missouri in June 2k9 [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #11374780 - 11/03/09 07:28 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Looks kind of like Amanita parcivolvata.

I wouldn't eat it.




THIS. Look at the powdery veil up the entire stipe. EDIT: No, All You Can Etbiem is correct imo, it has the same type of veil. Plus, it seems to lack a prominent stipe bulb.


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. guessowii North East Missouri in June 2k9 [Re: Ieponumos]
    #11374817 - 11/03/09 07:42 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:
Looks kind of like Amanita parcivolvata.

I wouldn't eat it.




THIS. Look at the powdery veil up the entire stipe. EDIT: No, All You Can Etbiem is correct imo, it has the same type of veil. Plus, it seems to lack a prominent stipe bulb.




It has a membranous veil, absolutely no way this is A. parcivolvata. The pinkish-red staining at the base of the stipe suggest A. flavorubens


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. guessowii North East Missouri in June 2k9 [Re: You can all etibem]
    #11374823 - 11/03/09 07:46 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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You can all etibem said:
I think that it's Amanita flavorubens; just "yellower" then you usually see them.



Quote:

You can all etibem said:
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Ieponumos said:
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Alan Rockefeller said:
Looks kind of like Amanita parcivolvata.

I wouldn't eat it.




THIS. Look at the powdery veil up the entire stipe. EDIT: No, All You Can Etbiem is correct imo, it has the same type of veil. Plus, it seems to lack a prominent stipe bulb.




It has a membranous veil, absolutely no way this is A. parcivolvata. The pinkish-red staining at the base of the stipe suggest A. flavorubens




Thank you for the correction. I can see the reddish staining now. But, may I ask why near the base the veil is flaking off? This is what led me to considering it "powdery". I can see in the third pic all of the veil and volval remnants on the ground. I appreciate very much for all of the information and help thus far from the Shroomery and you, sir.


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. guessowii North East Missouri in June 2k9 [Re: You can all etibem]
    #11375019 - 11/03/09 08:56 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I'd call those Amanita flavorubens.
There is a great deal of variation in the morphology of Amanita flavorubens, perhaps it represents a species complex.

I read at Rod's site it is one of the few Amanita species that has a western population disjunct from an eastern population.

What if anything could we infer about the phylogeny of this species?

I'm very interested in the phylogeny of the section Amanita also, if anyone has any info..thanks.


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. guessowii North East Missouri in June 2k9 [Re: HerbBaker]
    #11376711 - 11/03/09 02:37 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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I read at Rod's site it is one of the few Amanita species that has a western population disjunct from an eastern population.






I am just bummed that I am taking interest in those mushrooms at the present instead of back when I was snapping shots of them. 

Plus I knew very little about how to check all macro-features of a mushroom.  I hope it does sprout again next Spring or Summer. 

This might sound silly but I have been putting some stuff together for if/when the fruit again in that region.  I plan on attempting to locate the roots right below a few of them, find out which tree it might be solely attached to, then attempt to grab small samples of soil from nearby the root, along with composted leaves from the host site, then germinate the seed from the host plant mixed with spores from the host site.

Also the fruiting bodies were quite scattered and I wish I would have seen if they were in any radial arrangement within this lightly wooded area.  Might have been able to trace it back to the tree. 

Then cross my fingers and hope it takes.  Replant saplings near the host site while hopefully accounting for amounts of sunlight exposure (if any) along with water supply.

The area has already been fenced off from cattle.  I did that shit this morning since they seem to tromp/compact the hell out of things.

Sounds like a considerable amount of work I am sure but hell, it could make a story to tell someday. 

I could care less about wishing to consume something like this but would just like to see it.  (even though I wish I knew how to figure out chemical composition)

I do plan on getting a more thorough examination of these in the future. 

Thanks for your help.


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. guessowii North East Missouri in June 2k9 [Re: Greegus]
    #11376824 - 11/03/09 02:53 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Greegus said:
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HerbBaker said:
I read at Rod's site it is one of the few Amanita species that has a western population disjunct from an eastern population.






I am just bummed that I am taking interest in those mushrooms at the present instead of back when I was snapping shots of them. 

Plus I knew very little about how to check all macro-features of a mushroom.  I hope it does sprout again next Spring or Summer. 

This might sound silly but I have been putting some stuff together for if/when the fruit again in that region.  I plan on attempting to locate the roots right below a few of them, find out which tree it might be solely attached to, then attempt to grab small samples of soil from nearby the root, along with composted leaves from the host site, then germinate the seed from the host plant mixed with spores from the host site.

Also the fruiting bodies were quite scattered and I wish I would have seen if they were in any radial arrangement within this lightly wooded area.  Might have been able to trace it back to the tree. 

Then cross my fingers and hope it takes.  Replant saplings near the host site while hopefully accounting for amounts of sunlight exposure (if any) along with water supply.

The area has already been fenced off from cattle.  I did that shit this morning since they seem to tromp/compact the hell out of things.

Sounds like a considerable amount of work I am sure but hell, it could make a story to tell someday. 

I could care less about wishing to consume something like this but would just like to see it.  (even though I wish I knew how to figure out chemical composition)

I do plan on getting a more thorough examination of these in the future. 

Thanks for your help.




They are mycorrhizal, so check back in a couple weeks. They usually come up under the same tree for multiple flushes.


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