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Why are my jars growing so slowly? *DELETED* *DELETED*
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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: OverdoseLiving]
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pack the poly however tight. doesn't matter. and LC measurments is whatever. the more the better. i use 2-3 ml per quart


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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: myco_mikey_mo]
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moisture content plays a big part in colonization times.

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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: Rustifer]
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You can try unscrewing the jar lid, but not removing it. Just leave it loose. Seems to increase gas exchange.


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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: Leap]
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Check temps. Temps below 70 stall my grows.


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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: OverdoseLiving]
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Why are my jars growing so slowly?


Gremlins?

Without a little more info or some pics it's hard to tell.


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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: m00nshine]
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m00nshine said:
Check temps. Temps below 70 stall my grows.



Good point, that stalled a Amazon grow a while back.


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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: Leap]
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My jars of WBS are sitting at a cool 66-68f and colonizing just fine :-D

If you want any real answers you'll need to go over your procedure in detail as well as your storage parameters.


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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: Spongiform]
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Yeah, I think it could be a little cold in here.

I dont think its below 70degrees in here, but IDK ill get a thermometer tomorrow. I think I used enough LC. I PC'ed them.

I dk about water content, though. I soaked the seeds for 1-3 days. Boiled it first, etc..

I think the polyfill may be too tight..


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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: OverdoseLiving]
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10628004

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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: Rustifer]
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Thats how my jars are..

How colonized should they be if I innoced theV on the 26?


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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: OverdoseLiving]
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half ways ?

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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: Rustifer]
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Nope, Id say 10-20%..

I think I just need to try again..

The AT jars seem to be doing ok though.


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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: OverdoseLiving]
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Have you shaken them yet? If not I would do so about now.

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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: Rustifer]
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Ive shaken them a few times.

my jars took about 3-4 days to show signs of myc growth.

Once it was growing on the sides of the tops of the jars, maybe like .5 inch spots of growth, I shook my jars in a circular motion to mix it in. When the myc was visible again I shook them again.

I just think they should be growing faster, especially since I used a LC.. I think there might be a contam in there growing where I cant see it maybe..

I already spotted green contam on all the jars I innoced with the OI syringe. So I know how to spot that.

Anyone got any extra big syringes for trade?

I think I need to start again, LoL.:facepalm:


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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: Rustifer]
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Rustifer said:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10628004


this

cant go wrong with this lid tek
im trying it out for the first time right now
and my cakes moisture content and gas exchange seem to be optimal


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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: visions]
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There's your problem then.  Each time you shake them you stall out the growth for a day or two.  You only want to shake them once at around 40% colonization.


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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: Spongiform]
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Spongiform said:
There's your problem then.  Each time you shake them you stall out the growth for a day or two.  You only want to shake them once at around 40% colonization.


He's right, you should shake them only 2 times, once when you first put the lc in, then once it starts showing growth.

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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: Rustifer]
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I usually shake when they look about like this:



Usually takes 5-10 days to get like that.


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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: Spongiform]
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man that sucks....

BTW is there any contam that looks like chalky/cheesey white mycellium?

Or is that just a diff kind of growth?


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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: OverdoseLiving]
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Yellowish mycelium means metobolites is present, in other words its peeing, Its fine.


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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: OverdoseLiving]
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I always like the tek that Roger rabbit recommended....thats basicaly like a three day process....Soak 24 hours....Dry 24 hours ...then pc and knock up....works wonders...
as for LC s I personally had success with the Wheat pasta tek....easy to get in the syringe and grows way quik....yeah I would say moister contend did play a big role in some of my jars...the ones with too much didn't grow as fast....
ANd I have had results with incubating in the cubbard above the refridgerator....


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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: OverdoseLiving]
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OverdoseLiving said:
man that sucks....

BTW is there any contam that looks like chalky/cheesey white mycellium?

Or is that just a diff kind of growth?


Lots of other molds/fungus have white mycelium.

Some bacteria will produce a whitish goo too.



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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: Spongiform]
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You want it to be closer to 80-82 when colonizing. The lower the temps, the slower it will grow. A jar at 70 degrees will take 3-4 days longer to colonize than a jar at 80. So try to warm it up and keep the temps consistent. Fluctuating temps will inhibit growth too if too cold. Then just wait til its fully colonized. Don't mess with the jars and be sure nothing other than micropore tape or tyvek are covering the holes...or it may stall...


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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: rizingfire]
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I personally would not go over 75f ambient temps if I could help it.  Quart jars can/will be several degrees warmer on the inside.  Once you go over 83f colonization will slow down and increase the chance of contamination.
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*I've been saying that for years. My petri dish studies a few years ago showed that cubensis reaches peak linear growth between 75F and 80F, then is flat until 83F, where it starts to slow down. Mycelium at 86F is growing at about 2/3 the speed of mycelium at 80F. In addition, the higher temps tend to stimulate thermophic molds and bacteria. There's LOT'S of good information in TMC, but that 86F figure is one of the errors. When I did it there were ten petri dishes colonizing at each temperature, in separate containers. I went through well over 200 petri dishes of mycelium for no other reason than to determine the temperature that stimulates fastest growth, other factors being equal. That was a far more controlled study than the one reported over 20 years ago. If someone else wants to repeat the experiment, go for it. I consider the matter closed. Paul doesn't even repeat that 86F figure, which someone else sent him. Bottom line was the tubs that had petri dishes between 75F and 81F showed no difference in growth. Below 75F, and above 81F growth slowed down, with a rapid drop in colonization speed below 70F and above 83F. At 86F, a petri dish would be 2/3 colonized, while its sister at 75F would be fully colonized. Rate of growth at 86F was exactly the same as rate of growth at 72F, with fastest growth as said, occurring between 75F and 81F. Note that these tests were for linear growth in the two-dimensional plane of a petri dish. In three-dimensional space such as in grain jars or bulk substrates, the effects of thermogenesis need to be considered, so ambient temps should be lowered slightly to compensate.


More info here.

I'd rather have slightly lower temps then slightly higher.  Might slow down colonization a little (my 'shroom room, is sitting at about 66f right now) but it doesn't increase the chance of contamination.


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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: Spongiform]
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for quarts of birdseed, i use about 4-5cc and shake.  then leave aside in room temp.
  done in about 7-10 days.

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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: galadar]
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Well the AT jars are doing OK I guess.

But I think the rest are fucked.

I have that chalky cheesy type mold you have...

I dont think its mycellium, its not that fluffy..


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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: OverdoseLiving]
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Sorry i didnt read the whole thred but do you have good air exchange in your jars?

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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: Batista]
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I think I may have put the polyfill in to tight actually..

I think its too late for these jars..

I have about 4-6 that I think may make it..

that should tide me over.

Thanks for all the advice people:thumbup: I will use it next time.


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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: OverdoseLiving]
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It could be your moisture content. RR recommends slightly less than what people recommend (unless they recommend slightly less to start!). I had this problem once before and in my case im sure it's the moisture content.


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Re: Why are my jars growing so slowly? [Re: PassiveAgressive]
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Yeah I think I will lay mine out and let em dry out a little next time, use more spore/lc solution and push the polyfill in the hole lighter.


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