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    #11367461 - 11/02/09 08:50 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

A new batch of my writing.

As always with my writings, they are unfinished, so all critiques are welcome.

http://www.wedietorememberwhatwelivetoforget.com/


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Re: Love [Re: Around In Circles]
    #11367464 - 11/02/09 08:51 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Love [Re: Around In Circles]
    #11367465 - 11/02/09 08:51 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Love [Re: Around In Circles]
    #11367466 - 11/02/09 08:53 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

"You superior humans, what do you think? Am I a soothsayer? A dreamer? Drunkard? A dream interpreter? A midnight-bell? A drop of dew? A haze and fragrance of eternity? Do you not hear it? Do you not smell it? Just now my world became perfect, midnight is also midday -- Pain is also a joy, curse is also a blessing, night is also a sun -- be gone! or you will learn: a wise man is also a fool. Did you ever say Yes to a single joy? Oh, my friends, then you said Yes to all woe as well. All things are chained together, entwined, in love -- if you ever wanted one time a second time, if you ever said 'You please me, happiness! Quick! Moment!' then you wanted it all back! -- All anew, all eternally, all chained together, entwined, in love, oh then you loved the world -- you eternal ones, love it eternally and for all time: and even to woe you say: Be gone, but come back! For all joy wants --Eternity!"  Nietzsche

"A human being is part of the whole, called by us 'Universe'; a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest -- a kind of  optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty. Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."  Albert Einstein

All of this and more can be found on my website below in my sig.

Once again, these are merely stream of consciousness writings and I haven't gotten around to doing any serious editing yet, so please forgive some of the repetition/wandering.


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Re: Love [Re: Around In Circles]
    #11367472 - 11/02/09 08:58 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

sounds like your saying chaos is needed for order

I don't believe its needed but I do however think we are being refined through the experience of suffering as you said

we're learning the hard way but I will never be made to believe that we HAD to learn the hard way(though there was no other way it could have unfolded but the option for learning without pain was given to us)

unfortunately our mistakes extend far beyond ourselves and future generations end up reaping the reward

let me ask you this:

do you believe that problems should be purposely created in order to perfect man?

you'd be surprised how many believe this and they justify it by viewing themselves as enlightened guru's who are guiding the evolution of man


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Re: Love [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11367551 - 11/02/09 09:40 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Life Upon Death said:
sounds like your saying chaos is needed for order

I don't believe its needed but I do however think we are being refined through the experience of suffering as you said

we're learning the hard way but I will never be made to believe that we HAD to learn the hard way(though there was no other way it could have unfolded but the option for learning without pain was given to us)

unfortunately our mistakes extend far beyond ourselves and future generations end up reaping the reward

let me ask you this:

do you believe that problems should be purposely created in order to perfect man?

you'd be surprised how many believe this and they justify it by viewing themselves as enlightened guru's who are guiding the evolution of man




Absolutely not, however, you must realize that your question is moot in the eyes of eternity.

What will happen will happen, regardless of what we do; it doesn't matter. Problems cannot be "created" any more than they can be "prevented". Eternity is inevitable; our free will is an illusion, however, we can make better choices, but unfortunately this philosophy can only be grasped by a select few who have made themselves capable. It is esoteric knowledge for a reason; the masses are unable understand it due to a lack of will which must be granted by grace (which is the divine providence of eternity).

Unconsciousness is "easy", love is difficult, that is why Christ said that he came with a sword; he is the dividing line between love and fear. To be divisive is to delineate our dichotomistic nature, which results in morality.

Everything is necessary, no matter how unfortunate you think that may be, it's the only truth that we have.

Life is inevitable; stupidity is inevitable.

However, love can transcend stupidity.

Yet, you cannot have love without unconsciousness.

People are merely pawns in a game which is a grand illusion, to ask such questions is to misunderstand what is being discussed.

No offense, of course.


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Re: Love [Re: Around In Circles]
    #11367606 - 11/02/09 10:08 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

BrainFood said:
Quote:

Life Upon Death said:
sounds like your saying chaos is needed for order

I don't believe its needed but I do however think we are being refined through the experience of suffering as you said

we're learning the hard way but I will never be made to believe that we HAD to learn the hard way(though there was no other way it could have unfolded but the option for learning without pain was given to us)

unfortunately our mistakes extend far beyond ourselves and future generations end up reaping the reward

let me ask you this:

do you believe that problems should be purposely created in order to perfect man?

you'd be surprised how many believe this and they justify it by viewing themselves as enlightened guru's who are guiding the evolution of man




Absolutely not, however, you must realize that your question is moot in the eyes of eternity.

What will happen will happen, regardless of what we do; it doesn't matter. Problems cannot be "created" any more than they can be "prevented". Eternity is inevitable; our free will is an illusion, however, we can make better choices, but unfortunately this philosophy can only be grasped by a select few who have made themselves capable. It is esoteric knowledge for a reason; the masses are unable understand it due to a lack of will which must be granted by grace (which is the divine providence of eternity).

Unconsciousness is "easy", love is difficult, that is why Christ said that he came with a sword; he is the dividing line between love and fear. To be divisive is to delineate our dichotomistic nature, which results in morality.

Everything is necessary, no matter how unfortunate you think that may be, it's the only truth that we have.

Life is inevitable; stupidity is inevitable.

However, love can transcend stupidity.

Yet, you cannot have love without unconsciousness.

People are merely pawns in a game which is a grand illusion, to ask such questions is to misunderstand what is being discussed.

No offense, of course.




I always interpreted the sword to refer to the word of the God

spiritual weapons

Hebrews 4:

12For (Q)the word of God is (R)living and (S)active and sharper than any two-edged (T)sword, and piercing as far as the division of (U)soul and (V)spirit, of both joints and marrow, and (W)able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Ephesians 6:

12For our (W)struggle is not against (X)flesh and blood, but (Y)against the rulers, against the powers, against the (Z)world forces of this (AA)darkness, against the (AB)spiritual forces of wickedness in (AC)the heavenly places.

13Therefore, take up (AD)the full armor of God, so that you will be able to (AE)resist in (AF)the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.

14Stand firm therefore, (AG)HAVING GIRDED YOUR LOINS WITH TRUTH, and HAVING (AH)PUT ON THE BREASTPLATE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS,

15and having (AI)shod YOUR FEET WITH THE PREPARATION OF THE GOSPEL OF PEACE;

16in addition to all, taking up the (AJ)shield of faith with which you will be able to extinguish all the (AK)flaming arrows of (AL)the evil one.

17And take (AM)THE HELMET OF SALVATION, and the (AN)sword of the Spirit, which is (AO)the word of God.


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Re: Love [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11367641 - 11/02/09 10:23 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Life Upon Death said:
Quote:

BrainFood said:
Quote:

Life Upon Death said:
sounds like your saying chaos is needed for order

I don't believe its needed but I do however think we are being refined through the experience of suffering as you said

we're learning the hard way but I will never be made to believe that we HAD to learn the hard way(though there was no other way it could have unfolded but the option for learning without pain was given to us)

unfortunately our mistakes extend far beyond ourselves and future generations end up reaping the reward

let me ask you this:

do you believe that problems should be purposely created in order to perfect man?

you'd be surprised how many believe this and they justify it by viewing themselves as enlightened guru's who are guiding the evolution of man




Absolutely not, however, you must realize that your question is moot in the eyes of eternity.

What will happen will happen, regardless of what we do; it doesn't matter. Problems cannot be "created" any more than they can be "prevented". Eternity is inevitable; our free will is an illusion, however, we can make better choices, but unfortunately this philosophy can only be grasped by a select few who have made themselves capable. It is esoteric knowledge for a reason; the masses are unable understand it due to a lack of will which must be granted by grace (which is the divine providence of eternity).

Unconsciousness is "easy", love is difficult, that is why Christ said that he came with a sword; he is the dividing line between love and fear. To be divisive is to delineate our dichotomistic nature, which results in morality.

Everything is necessary, no matter how unfortunate you think that may be, it's the only truth that we have.

Life is inevitable; stupidity is inevitable.

However, love can transcend stupidity.

Yet, you cannot have love without unconsciousness.

People are merely pawns in a game which is a grand illusion, to ask such questions is to misunderstand what is being discussed.

No offense, of course.




I always interpreted the sword to refer to the word of the God

spiritual weapons

Hebrews 4:

12For (Q)the word of God is (R)living and (S)active and sharper than any two-edged (T)sword, and piercing as far as the division of (U)soul and (V)spirit, of both joints and marrow, and (W)able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Ephesians 6:

12For our (W)struggle is not against (X)flesh and blood, but (Y)against the rulers, against the powers, against the (Z)world forces of this (AA)darkness, against the (AB)spiritual forces of wickedness in (AC)the heavenly places.

13Therefore, take up (AD)the full armor of God, so that you will be able to (AE)resist in (AF)the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.

14Stand firm therefore, (AG)HAVING GIRDED YOUR LOINS WITH TRUTH, and HAVING (AH)PUT ON THE BREASTPLATE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS,

15and having (AI)shod YOUR FEET WITH THE PREPARATION OF THE GOSPEL OF PEACE;

16in addition to all, taking up the (AJ)shield of faith with which you will be able to extinguish all the (AK)flaming arrows of (AL)the evil one.

17And take (AM)THE HELMET OF SALVATION, and the (AN)sword of the Spirit, which is (AO)the word of God.




That doesn't take away from what I said, if anything it helps support it.

The sword, as the word of God, is the dividing force between good and evil, of which God represents; the ability to separate the wheat from the chaff.

You must take religious parable for what it is; a metaphor.

The word of God as preached by Christ was Love.

Love divides because it forces you to make a choice between good and evil.

Paradoxical, but true; love is the realization of the dualistic nature of the universe, hence the allegory of a dividing sword.


You are either capable of love and are on the side of "good".

Or you are unconscious and you are on the side of evil.

The dividing sword, God's word, is the revelation of divine providence which is directing us toward unconditional love, however, unconditional love also means to accept evil(yet not give in to it), which is once again paradoxical.

Love is all-encompassing and so is God.

That is why God is love.


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Re: Love [Re: Around In Circles]
    #11367654 - 11/02/09 10:26 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

BrainFood said:
Quote:

Life Upon Death said:
Quote:

BrainFood said:
Quote:

Life Upon Death said:
sounds like your saying chaos is needed for order

I don't believe its needed but I do however think we are being refined through the experience of suffering as you said

we're learning the hard way but I will never be made to believe that we HAD to learn the hard way(though there was no other way it could have unfolded but the option for learning without pain was given to us)

unfortunately our mistakes extend far beyond ourselves and future generations end up reaping the reward

let me ask you this:

do you believe that problems should be purposely created in order to perfect man?

you'd be surprised how many believe this and they justify it by viewing themselves as enlightened guru's who are guiding the evolution of man




Absolutely not, however, you must realize that your question is moot in the eyes of eternity.

What will happen will happen, regardless of what we do; it doesn't matter. Problems cannot be "created" any more than they can be "prevented". Eternity is inevitable; our free will is an illusion, however, we can make better choices, but unfortunately this philosophy can only be grasped by a select few who have made themselves capable. It is esoteric knowledge for a reason; the masses are unable understand it due to a lack of will which must be granted by grace (which is the divine providence of eternity).

Unconsciousness is "easy", love is difficult, that is why Christ said that he came with a sword; he is the dividing line between love and fear. To be divisive is to delineate our dichotomistic nature, which results in morality.

Everything is necessary, no matter how unfortunate you think that may be, it's the only truth that we have.

Life is inevitable; stupidity is inevitable.

However, love can transcend stupidity.

Yet, you cannot have love without unconsciousness.

People are merely pawns in a game which is a grand illusion, to ask such questions is to misunderstand what is being discussed.

No offense, of course.




I always interpreted the sword to refer to the word of the God

spiritual weapons

Hebrews 4:

12For (Q)the word of God is (R)living and (S)active and sharper than any two-edged (T)sword, and piercing as far as the division of (U)soul and (V)spirit, of both joints and marrow, and (W)able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Ephesians 6:

12For our (W)struggle is not against (X)flesh and blood, but (Y)against the rulers, against the powers, against the (Z)world forces of this (AA)darkness, against the (AB)spiritual forces of wickedness in (AC)the heavenly places.

13Therefore, take up (AD)the full armor of God, so that you will be able to (AE)resist in (AF)the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.

14Stand firm therefore, (AG)HAVING GIRDED YOUR LOINS WITH TRUTH, and HAVING (AH)PUT ON THE BREASTPLATE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS,

15and having (AI)shod YOUR FEET WITH THE PREPARATION OF THE GOSPEL OF PEACE;

16in addition to all, taking up the (AJ)shield of faith with which you will be able to extinguish all the (AK)flaming arrows of (AL)the evil one.

17And take (AM)THE HELMET OF SALVATION, and the (AN)sword of the Spirit, which is (AO)the word of God.




That doesn't take away from what I said, if anything it helps support it.

The sword, as the word of God, is the dividing force between good and evil, of which God represents; the ability to separate the wheat from the chaff.

You must take religious parable for what it is; a metaphor.

The word of God as preached by Christ was Love.

Love divides because it forces you to make a choice between good and evil.

Paradoxical, but true; love is the realization of the dualistic nature of the universe, hence the allegory of a dividing sword.


You are either capable of love and are on the side of "good".

Or you are unconscious and you are on the side of evil.

The dividing sword, God's word, is the revelation of divine providence which is directing us toward unconditional love, however, unconditional love also means to accept evil(yet not give in to it), which is once again paradoxical.

Love is all-encompassing and so is God.

That is why God is love.




I agree


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Re: Love [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11367663 - 11/02/09 10:30 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you for your posts, I appreciate the feedback and thoughtful additions.


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Re: Love [Re: Around In Circles]
    #11368856 - 11/02/09 02:29 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Love [Re: Around In Circles]
    #11369680 - 11/02/09 04:18 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Love [Re: Around In Circles]
    #11382241 - 11/04/09 10:35 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Bump for updates.


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Re: Love [Re: Around In Circles]
    #11393197 - 11/05/09 08:55 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

bump !


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Re: Love [Re: traviedigital]
    #11393466 - 11/05/09 09:37 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

"meaning of life", "greater cause", "causing all evil to happen"?

:omgz:

and that's only in the first few sentences. you might want to clean up some of these subjective ideas.

and what the hell is good and evil? :confused:


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Re: Love [Re: traviedigital]
    #11393480 - 11/05/09 09:39 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I agree that unconditional love should be the basis of any healthy philosophy.  I do not agree that our attempts to defeat death via technology are futile, that there will be any conscious experience (recurring or otherwise) after death, or that the Universe itself will eternally recur... these points need to be backed up with persuasive evidence before I'll buy into 'em.


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Re: Love [Re: deCypher]
    #11393578 - 11/05/09 09:51 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

:lol:


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Re: Love [Re: Icelander]
    #11393734 - 11/05/09 10:13 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

yea! a lot of subjective assumptions are made, and it's lacking eviden--

Quote:

1 John 4




OH SHITTT...

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[quote]Icelander said:
What is at the bottom of it?[/quote]

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Re: Love [Re: deCypher]
    #11394729 - 11/06/09 12:32 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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I agree that unconditional love should be the basis of any healthy philosophy.  I do not agree that our attempts to defeat death via technology are futile, that there will be any conscious experience (recurring or otherwise) after death, or that the Universe itself will eternally recur... these points need to be backed up with persuasive evidence before I'll buy into 'em.




Well I would expect most believers of these things to not base them on intellectual, rational deductions (or scribe-knowledge if you will), but rather suspect it based on mystical experiences. Of course these are not objective proofs in themselves, but it shouldn't be too hard to see why we might not want to disregard them completely in favor of a reasoning that imo can only be circular when it comes to these issues.

"In my highest states I have had the insight, which I will convey to you without saying it’s true, that this [human existence] is the most limited form of existence you will ever know. You can’t be deader than this. This is the bottom line, and so the good news is it’s only up from here."

terence mckenna


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Re: Love [Re: rebus_minus]
    #11396413 - 11/06/09 10:19 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not trying to "sell" anyone into anything.

These are subjective truths; that should be obvious. If you went to my site, you would see in my preface that I discuss the nature of these ideas as such.

I'm not trying to convince anyone.

I'm just sharing some conclusions I have come to.

And by the way, I'm pantheistic, so relax on making the assumption that I'm a bible-thumper.

I quoted John for its relevance.

:psychsplit:


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