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Is the USA a DE FACTO classist society?
    #11362693 - 11/01/09 03:29 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Or is this just another one of my crazy delusions? :crazy2:
Do you think the USA is a de facto classist society?
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Re: Is the USA a DE FACTO classist society? [Re: Poid]
    #11363097 - 11/01/09 04:34 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Ya I think its classist. Theres a lot of ignorance in America about America. People in the upper classes dont realize that the system doesnt work for everyone and people in the lower classes are brainwashed by the media into supporting the system even though they get swindles by the system.


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Re: Is the USA a DE FACTO classist society? [Re: lines]
    #11363212 - 11/01/09 04:51 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Theres a lot of ignorance in America about America.


What, precisely, do you mean by this?



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People in the upper classes...


Who are these people?



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...dont realize that the system doesnt work for everyone...


Why do you think they don't realize this, and what is the result of them not realizing this?



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...and people in the lower classes are brainwashed by the media into supporting the system even though they get swindles by the system.


Can you provide specific examples of this phenomenon?


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Re: Is the USA a DE FACTO classist society? [Re: Poid]
    #11363226 - 11/01/09 04:53 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

i think the answer would have to be a resounding yes...as a glaring example..healthcare "reform" has turned into a cynical exercise in rewarding the insurance companies for being wealthy and successful..while levying a punitive tax for being too poor to afford their prices...if thats not classism..then i dont know what is...

if i had to hazard a guess as to why this is the case..it would be that conservative classism has replaced gender discrimination...


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Re: Is the USA a DE FACTO classist society? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #11363239 - 11/01/09 04:56 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I wasn't talking about socio-economic classes, I was alluding more to social dynamics.


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Re: Is the USA a DE FACTO classist society? [Re: Poid]
    #11363251 - 11/01/09 04:57 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

:wtf:...


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Re: Is the USA a DE FACTO classist society? [Re: Poid]
    #11363270 - 11/01/09 04:59 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I guess this is just another one of my crazy delusions...:crazy2:


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Re: Is the USA a DE FACTO classist society? [Re: Poid]
    #11363287 - 11/01/09 05:03 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Can you explain pls, why do you think this is your delusion?


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Re: Is the USA a DE FACTO classist society? [Re: Poid]
    #11363345 - 11/01/09 05:12 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

People in America dont know the reality of life for other Americans. People live in a media induced fantasy world where people in different segments of society dont understand other segments of society and they dont even understand their own segment of society.

The upper class are rich to middle class

The lower classes are middle classes to lower classes

The upper classes are prosperous and asume that people who arent prosperous are lazy, but the truth is most upper clas people never worked that hard for their money.

The lower clases want to feel as though they are part of the power structure so they support what the upper classes want so they can feel as though they are part of the power even though they are the ones being swindled by the power

An example of this is that military families support wars even though their fellow military people and their family members die in them


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Re: Is the USA a DE FACTO classist society? [Re: lines]
    #11363935 - 11/01/09 06:55 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Can you explain pls, why do you think this is your delusion?


I think this may be a delusion because I sort of believe it, but don't really have any evidence to prove it.



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People in America dont know the reality of life for other Americans. People live in a media induced fantasy world where people in different segments of society dont understand other segments of society and they dont even understand their own segment of society.


:thumbup:



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The upper class are rich to middle class

The lower classes are middle classes to lower classes


Do you think genetics are a factor?



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The upper classes are prosperous and asume that people who arent prosperous are lazy, but the truth is most upper clas people never worked that hard for their money.


I'd say this is a generalization, but I don't doubt that this sort of phenomenon is too rare.



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The lower clases want to feel as though they are part of the power structure so they support what the upper classes want...


Can you give any examples?



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...so they can feel as though they are part of the power even though they are the ones being swindled by the power


Do you suppose that all "lower class" individuals feel this way?



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An example of this is that military families support wars even though their fellow military people and their family members die in them


I have a few family members who are in the military, and they support "killing the enemy"...:strokebeard:


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Re: Is the USA a DE FACTO classist society? [Re: Poid]
    #11363968 - 11/01/09 07:01 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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I wasn't talking about socio-economic classes, I was alluding more to social dynamics.




Can you clarify what you mean by social dynamics?


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Re: Is the USA a DE FACTO classist society? [Re: DimensionX]
    #11363995 - 11/01/09 07:05 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

The dynamics of social interaction, the way people operate when they socialize with each other. I will explain further if you wish me to. :levitate:


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Re: Is the USA a DE FACTO classist society? [Re: Poid]
    #11364001 - 11/01/09 07:06 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I dont think it is genetic, well I dont think people understand genetics properly... \
But I do think its related to inheritance

I dont think all lower class people feel the way I mentioned in an earlier post.

An example of what I talked about is people getting passionate about the republican or democratic presidentisal candidate when both candidates steal the wealth of the American people and give it to international corporations

a two party system is not a democracy, I think america should export democracy to america


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Re: Is the USA a DE FACTO classist society? [Re: Poid]
    #11364031 - 11/01/09 07:10 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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The dynamics of social interaction, the way people operate when they socialize with each other. I will explain further if you wish me to. :levitate:




Then yes i do think America is classist in this sense and the reason for it being so are best understood through socio economic separation. The rich live in a different world to the poor. They attend different institutions and take part in different social events. Because of this they have there own societies which have their own politics and forms of social interaction. The poor can not fit into these societies not only because of monetary reasons but because they do not understand the social dynamics involved in that world. Same things occurs if the rich try to socialize with the poor. They do not understand the poor persons way of life, way of communicating or social politics so they do not fit in.


Edited by DimensionX (11/01/09 07:11 PM)


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Re: Is the USA a DE FACTO classist society? [Re: lines]
    #11364056 - 11/01/09 07:16 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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I dont think it is genetic


I sort of believe that genetics has something to do with this de facto classist society...:sadyes:



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well I dont think people understand genetics properly... \


Which people? :what:



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But I do think its related to inheritance


You mean of financial wealth? :money:



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I dont think all lower class people feel the way I mentioned in an earlier post.


What percentage of these lower class people would you propose feel that way?



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An example of what I talked about is people getting passionate about the republican or democratic presidentisal candidate when both candidates steal the wealth of the American people and give it to international corporations


See, this thread is steering towards the bigger picture--and that's fine and all, but I'm mostly concerned about things at the local level.



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a two party system is not a democracy, I think america should export democracy to america


What?


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Re: Is the USA a DE FACTO classist society? [Re: Poid]
    #11364075 - 11/01/09 07:20 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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I dont think it is genetic


I sort of believe that genetics has something to do with this de facto classist society...:sadyes:





What are your reasons for this belief poid?


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Re: Is the USA a DE FACTO classist society? [Re: DimensionX]
    #11364096 - 11/01/09 07:23 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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The dynamics of social interaction, the way people operate when they socialize with each other. I will explain further if you wish me to. :levitate:




Then yes i do think America is classist in this sense and the reason for it being so are best understood through socio economic separation.


Racism is a factor, too. :sadyes:



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The rich live in a different world to the poor. They attend different institutions and take part in different social events. Because of this they have there own societies which have their own politics and forms of social interaction. The poor can not fit into these societies not only because of monetary reasons but because they do not understand the social dynamics involved in that world. Same things occurs if the rich try to socialize with the poor. They do not understand the poor persons way of life, way of communicating or social politics so they do not fit in.


I don't think it's only about money...:strokebeard:




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I dont think it is genetic


I sort of believe that genetics has something to do with this de facto classist society...:sadyes:





What are your reasons for this belief poid?


Think about racism, think about the mentally retarded, think about Terri Schiavo...:sad:


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Re: Is the USA a DE FACTO classist society? [Re: Poid]
    #11364118 - 11/01/09 07:27 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Oh i see, you think people seperate themselves based on genetic traits. I agree with this.


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Re: Is the USA a DE FACTO classist society? [Re: DimensionX]
    #11364124 - 11/01/09 07:27 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

That's one of the factors, yes.




EDIT: I really hope this conversation doesn't end here, :lol:!






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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


Edited by Poid (11/01/09 07:28 PM)


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Re: Is the USA a DE FACTO classist society? [Re: Poid]
    #11364134 - 11/01/09 07:28 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Another one i would add is the human tendancy to want to feel above others. The rich find it convenient to think they are better than the poor because it enhances their egos.


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