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The Icelander path to salvation.    
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ElYy6MLUVU
"Lucifer works within each of us to bring us to wholeness, and as we move into a New Age…each of us in some way is brought to that point which I term the Luciferic Initiation, the particular doorway through which the individual must pass if he is to come fully into the presence of his light and wholenesss. Lucifer prepares man in all ways for the experience of Christhood… The light that reveals to us the presence of the Christ…comes from Lucifer. He is the light-giver, he is aptly named the Morning Star because it is his light that heralds for man the dawn of a great consciousness …He stands…as the Great Initiator, the one who hands the soul over to the Christ."
David Spangler, director of planetary initiative, united nations
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Luke 11:
33"(Z)No one, after lighting a lamp, puts it away in a cellar nor under a basket, but on the lampstand, so that those who enter may see the light.
34"(AA)The eye is the lamp of your body; when your eye is clear, your whole body also is full of light; but when it is bad, your body also is full of darkness.
35"Then watch out that the light in you is not darkness.
36"If therefore your whole body is full of light, with no dark part in it, it will be wholly illumined, as when the lamp illumines you with its rays."
Matt 6:
22"(AB)The eye is the lamp of the body; so then if your eye is clear, your whole body will be full of light.
23"But if (AC)your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!
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-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: andrewss]
#11380173 - 11/03/09 09:20 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Essentially nihilism is a mentality assured there is no meaning/personal-purpose to be had in life
that's what I thought it was... basically, the belief there is no point to anything at all, everything is random and without purpose, there is probably no after-life.
Hence there is no reason to do anything, or restrain from doing anything for that matter.
we are just living out the chaotically complex forces that spawned us, and which will one day reduce us to nothingness again.
there is a terrifying freedom in this philosophy.
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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: LuSiD9]
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I don't see that as nihilism at all. To willfully self-destruct, there must be an aspiration -- that is, to be destroyed. Likewise, to willfully destroy, the aspiration is the same. The motivation may be aesthetic in nature (Cool, etc), or it may merely be a longing to recede into oblivion (Thanatos)... But whatever the case, nihilism as I understand it is not compatible with any aspiration. To me, nihilism is the absence of aspiration, and the complete halting of all constructive and deconstructive longings and tendencies.
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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: LuSiD9]
#11380837 - 11/03/09 11:07 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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we are just living out the chaotically complex forces that spawned us, and which will one day reduce us to nothingness again.
This is all I see. Then of course the questions arises. What will I do?
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: astronaut]
#11380852 - 11/03/09 11:10 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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astronaut said: I don't see that as nihilism at all. To willfully self-destruct, there must be an aspiration -- that is, to be destroyed. Likewise, to willfully destroy, the aspiration is the same. The motivation may be aesthetic in nature (Cool, etc), or it may merely be a longing to recede into oblivion (Thanatos)... But whatever the case, nihilism as I understand it is not compatible with any aspiration. To me, nihilism is the absence of aspiration, and the complete halting of all constructive and deconstructive longings and tendencies.
If this is true then IMO Nihilism is not something we can live with. We do aspire. And without the basic instinctual urges would we not seek oblivion?
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Icelander]
#11381568 - 11/04/09 03:10 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
If this is true then IMO Nihilism is not something we can live with. We do aspire. And without the basic instinctual urges would we not seek oblivion?
So you do agree with Ernest Becker's conclusion on the last page?
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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: LuSiD9]
#11381984 - 11/04/09 07:09 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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LuSiD9 said:
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Essentially nihilism is a mentality assured there is no meaning/personal-purpose to be had in life
that's what I thought it was... basically, the belief there is no point to anything at all, everything is random and without purpose, there is probably no after-life.
Hence there is no reason to do anything, or restrain from doing anything for that matter.
we are just living out the chaotically complex forces that spawned us, and which will one day reduce us to nothingness again.
there is a terrifying freedom in this philosophy.
only if existence truly ends with death
if it doesn't its a terrifying imprisonment
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Lakefingers said:
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Icelander said:
If this is true then IMO Nihilism is not something we can live with. We do aspire. And without the basic instinctual urges would we not seek oblivion?
So you do agree with Ernest Becker's conclusion on the last page? 
Well of course we seek relief from death anxiety. He chose a return to faith. I cannot. My personal goal if it's a realistic one is to slowly, consciously, condition myself to my anxiety. To lessen the impact, not in life so much but towards the final moments. I would like some feeling of composure at my dying but without the props of faith in something greater then death itself.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Icelander]
#11382806 - 11/04/09 10:41 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Death will come, don't worry.
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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Ahimsa]
#11382896 - 11/04/09 10:59 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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duh
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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Icelander]
#11382985 - 11/04/09 11:15 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: duh
What?
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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Ahimsa]
#11383045 - 11/04/09 11:24 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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what?
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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Icelander]
#11383061 - 11/04/09 11:26 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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-------------------- Jesus loves you.
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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Icelander]
#11383062 - 11/04/09 11:26 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: what?
Well, you always go on about death. But it will come anyhow. What can we do but be open to it? Why all this search for relief in faith and such?
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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: andrewss]
#11383070 - 11/04/09 11:27 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have that on my computer desktop. How did you know.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Ahimsa]
#11383080 - 11/04/09 11:29 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ahimsa said:
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Icelander said: what?
Well, you always go on about death. But it will come anyhow. What can we do but be open to it? Why all this search for relief in faith and such?
There is absolutely no fucking way I will address this after all the posts on this subject and intense discussion of it over the last several weeks. duh.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Icelander]
#11383090 - 11/04/09 11:30 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
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Lakefingers said:
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Icelander said:
If this is true then IMO Nihilism is not something we can live with. We do aspire. And without the basic instinctual urges would we not seek oblivion?
So you do agree with Ernest Becker's conclusion on the last page? 
Well of course we seek relief from death anxiety. He chose a return to faith. I cannot. My personal goal if it's a realistic one is to slowly, consciously, condition myself to my anxiety. To lessen the impact, not in life so much but towards the final moments. I would like some feeling of composure at my dying but without the props of faith in something greater then death itself.
Do what Huxley did!
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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