|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Icelander]
#11370609 - 11/02/09 04:17 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
...and nihilists are human organisms; human organisms have the potential to assign value to phenomena.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery



Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Poid]
#11370626 - 11/02/09 04:19 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
sure but it really goes against what I consider a definition of Nihilism.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Icelander]
#11370652 - 11/02/09 04:22 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
What goes against your definition of nihilism, and how does your definition of nihilism differ from the dictionary definition of the term?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery



Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Poid]
#11370722 - 11/02/09 04:29 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Nihilism is the belief that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated.
From the Encyclopedia of Philosophy.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
LunarEclipse
Enlil's Official Story


Registered: 10/31/04
Posts: 21,407
Loc: Building 7
|
Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Poid]
#11371289 - 11/02/09 05:43 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Poid said:
Quote:
Icelander said: Well there is truth to it. But why "deserves"?
Because everything is indefatigably pathetic, nothing is even close to being perfect. 
Somehow I doubt the word "indefatigably" is going to make you friends in the prison yard.
Or Not.
-------------------- Anxiety is what you make it.
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
|
Quote:
Icelander said: Nihilism is the belief that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated.
From the Encyclopedia of Philosophy.
You didn't answer my question! 
Quote:
LunarEclipse said:
Quote:
Poid said:
Quote:
Icelander said: Well there is truth to it. But why "deserves"?
Because everything is indefatigably pathetic, nothing is even close to being perfect. 
Somehow I doubt the word "indefatigably" is going to make you friends in the prison yard.
Or Not. 
Don't tell them ol' folks from the prison yard I said this, but they can suck on my big fat dick.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery



Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Poid]
#11372157 - 11/02/09 07:52 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
But I did. I don't have a personal definition of nihilism. I was basing this thread on the dictionary.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Icelander]
#11372179 - 11/02/09 07:55 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
I think I now see the light.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery



Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Poid]
#11372228 - 11/02/09 08:02 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
See, my point is that the word "deserves" doesn't belong. It's a value judgment and so meaningless. It show the persons bias toward cynicism IMO. Many cynics IMO, like to hide behind the banner of Nihilism.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Icelander]
#11372261 - 11/02/09 08:06 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
So bona-fide nihilism is like "enlightenment"?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery



Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Poid]
#11372270 - 11/02/09 08:08 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
I think it's got a much better chance than most of the wishful thinking that goes here for "spirituality".
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Icelander]
#11372274 - 11/02/09 08:09 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
How much better?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Sleepwalker
Overshoes

Registered: 05/07/08
Posts: 5,503
|
Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Poid]
#11372382 - 11/02/09 08:20 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
This much:
[-------------------------]
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
|
How 'bout this much? 
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery



Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Poid]
#11372446 - 11/02/09 08:26 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Poid said: How much better? 
A fuckload.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Icelander]
#11372454 - 11/02/09 08:27 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
A fuckload of what
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery



Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Poid]
#11372510 - 11/02/09 08:35 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
A fuckload of better.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Icelander]
#11372562 - 11/02/09 08:41 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Is that good enough, though? Can it ever be?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery



Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Poid]
#11372741 - 11/02/09 09:05 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Too good is never good enough.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Icelander]
#11372844 - 11/02/09 09:19 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Why? Is it because 'good enough-ness' is necessarily beyond 'too good-ness'?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
|