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Roots of Nihilism?
    #11362472 - 11/01/09 02:41 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

“Nihilism is . . . not only the belief that everything deserves to perish; but one actually puts one’s shoulder to the plough; one destroys”

What interests me in this quote is the word "deserves".

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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Icelander]
    #11363664 - 11/01/09 06:08 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Seems like an odd "definition" of nihilism...

one self destructs or destroys others?


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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: andrewss]
    #11363687 - 11/01/09 06:13 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Well there is truth to it. But why "deserves"?


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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Icelander]
    #11363711 - 11/01/09 06:18 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Step one of nihilism is a weariness of oneself without the desire to even create any sort of self justification, one is totally unable to see value in anything and thus I guess this self disgust would spill over into a disgust and hatred of everything else sorta like you.


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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: andrewss]
    #11363716 - 11/01/09 06:21 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Is that really an accurate definition of nihilism or just your definition?


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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Icelander]
    #11363725 - 11/01/09 06:23 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I believe that quote was from Nietzsche

I got it here http://www.iep.utm.edu/nihilism/#H3


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Edited by Icelander (11/01/09 06:27 PM)


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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Icelander]
    #11363783 - 11/01/09 06:33 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Is that really an accurate definition of nihilism or just your definition?




accurate definition of concepts like nihilism are pretty hard to nail down, just can maybe outline the basic tenants, though we use words like nihilism as adjectives often with different degrees of "magnitude" due to some entailment or something...

Essentially nihilism is a mentality assured there is no meaning/personal-purpose to be had in life. At least for me, brah :wink:


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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: andrewss]
    #11363817 - 11/01/09 06:37 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

That sounds kind of freeing if one can embrace it.

One is free to believe anything they want. To create meaning knowing it's pure creation.


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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Icelander]
    #11364913 - 11/01/09 09:39 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, I liked the end of that page, relates to ur above post...

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If we survived the process of destroying all interpretations of the world, we could then perhaps discover the correct course for humankind:

"I praise, I do not reproach, [nihilism's] arrival. I believe it is one of the greatest crises, a moment of the deepest self-reflection of humanity. Whether man recovers from it, whether he becomes master of this crisis, is a question of his strength. It is possible. . . . "(Complete Works Vol. 13) ~Nietzsche




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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Icelander]
    #11366537 - 11/02/09 02:20 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
�Nihilism is . . . not only the belief that everything deserves to perish; but one actually puts one�s shoulder to the plough; one destroys�

What interests me in this quote is the word "deserves".

Opinions?




I think if nihilism can say anything about deservance, it is that everyone deserves everything and nothing.. that there is no standard of deservance, and so it can be said that everything deserves to perish, simply because that is what everything does, and everything gets what it deserves.


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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #11366563 - 11/02/09 02:28 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

theres no way of knowing where this actually originated but its generally attributed to Albert Pike:

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."


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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Icelander]
    #11367108 - 11/02/09 05:06 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

as far as the roots of nihilism, i think maybe it stems from indulging in indulgence, or over indulgence


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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: demiu5]
    #11367208 - 11/02/09 05:39 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Isn't it the absence of fear towards your own personal needs, and the same absence of the means to reach these without sacrificing selfishness and personal will without boundaries?


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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #11367554 - 11/02/09 09:40 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Noteworthy said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
�Nihilism is . . . not only the belief that everything deserves to perish; but one actually puts one�s shoulder to the plough; one destroys�

What interests me in this quote is the word "deserves".

Opinions?




I think if nihilism can say anything about deservance, it is that everyone deserves everything and nothing.. that there is no standard of deservance, and so it can be said that everything deserves to perish, simply because that is what everything does, and everything gets what it deserves.





That makes sense to me.


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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11367560 - 11/02/09 09:42 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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theres no way of knowing where this actually originated but its generally attributed to Albert Pike:

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion�We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."





That's funny. This person IMO has very little understanding of human psychology. Especially his own.


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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Icelander]
    #11369136 - 11/02/09 03:06 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
�Nihilism is . . . not only the belief that everything deserves to perish; but one actually puts one�s shoulder to the plough; one destroys�

What interests me in this quote is the word "deserves".

Opinions?




In a way everything does 'deserve' to perish, because inevitably it will perish
And in a way, we always get what we deserve

:peace:


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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Chronic7]
    #11369198 - 11/02/09 03:14 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Deserve implies a value judgment. I don't think that applies to much beyond the human realm.


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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Icelander]
    #11369516 - 11/02/09 03:54 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Nihilism? Just say NO! :naughty:


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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Icelander]
    #11370560 - 11/02/09 06:11 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Well there is truth to it. But why "deserves"?


Because everything is indefatigably pathetic, nothing is even close to being perfect. :satansmoking:


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Re: Roots of Nihilism? [Re: Poid]
    #11370586 - 11/02/09 06:14 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Once again Poid, deserves is a value judgment.


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