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Faith...
    #11361719 - 11/01/09 11:54 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Faith is commonly hinged with 'religious faith'
But is faith beleiving in a particular beleif system? a God? etc...
As that sort of faith can only be a beleif, imagination...

Isit not faith to have the full courage to trust in existence itself?

I really feel that what 'faith' is, is a kind of courage & confidence in oneself, as existence
Not out of the arrogance of this particular form
To be centered unshakeably as existence & totally trust in that, courageously

I say it takes courage, because we are so deeply trained to not trust anything

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Re: Faith... [Re: Chronic7]
    #11361768 - 11/01/09 12:08 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Isit not faith to have the full courage to trust in existence itself?


I'm not sure. What are you having faith about exactly? Couldn't you say I have faith in God or my Girl just as easily?

Logically I see that existence is. Why do I need faith?


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Re: Faith... [Re: Icelander]
    #11361854 - 11/01/09 12:34 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Courage or faith is necessary because we are trained the opposite

Many of us are trained to fear, to not trust... to the point we can suffocate ourselves mentally
To over come this a kind of confidence & courage or 'faith' is beneficial, i feel

Faith as im referring to it, is the 'Warrioir' you talked about...

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Re: Faith... [Re: Chronic7]
    #11361888 - 11/01/09 12:44 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Actually DJ has a concept for that called "Having to Believe". Maybe you remember it from the books. I was fascinated by the concept as he presented it.


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Re: Faith... [Re: Chronic7]
    #11361921 - 11/01/09 12:53 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Why believe in 'existence' and not just in ourself?
Why have faith in something and not trust that we ourself can find our way?
Why put our trust into something else?

A few of my questions about 'faith'.


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Re: Faith... [Re: Ahimsa]
    #11361951 - 11/01/09 01:00 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

On a certain level I guess faith is needed to walk out the door.

But what I call "blind faith" is never needed. Our beliefs should be based in some experience. We experience the world through our being. So in that sense I agree with you.


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Re: Faith... [Re: Icelander]
    #11362013 - 11/01/09 01:09 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Exactly, and aren't the experiences we have the guidelines along which we determine our proceedings?
I feel like being in the middle of nowhere never knowing what is going to hit me next.
But i have faith in my abilities to learn, to think, to be authentic, to maintain my integrity,... but it's not easy. There always a challenge, always an obstacle. Eventually these are the means by which i transform my mind for the better.


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Re: Faith... [Re: Ahimsa]
    #11362038 - 11/01/09 01:13 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Yes. You know what else I think. That using death as an adviser is the best way to navigate this maze called life. If one starts to ignore their ultimate vulnerability then it's easy to start believing in impossible shit.


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Re: Faith... [Re: Icelander]
    #11362068 - 11/01/09 01:18 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Yes. You know what else I think. That using death as an adviser is the best way to navigate this maze called life. If one starts to ignore their ultimate vulnerability then it's easy to start believing in impossible shit.




So true. I'm going to die one day. Most of the time i forget that. I act like i will always be like this. Perhaps a little older, but never dead. It rarely crosses my mind... Perhaps being more aware of death could help us to humble ourself somewhat and be more loving towards one another. After all, it is now that we live and can enjoy the things valuable to us. Hereafter is another ballgame altogether. It is true what you say, death awareness puts things into perspective like no other.


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Re: Faith... [Re: Ahimsa]
    #11368773 - 11/02/09 02:14 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Why believe in 'existence' and not just in ourself?
Why have faith in something and not trust that we ourself can find our way?
Why put our trust into something else?





You say 'why put our trust in something else?' as if existence is something other than you!?
How far is existence from you?

I am saying its to fully trust in yourself, life, existence, to let it unfold :rose:

The guidance of 'finding our way' can come from within or externally, but its only  ever coming from existence...
Its all the same trip

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Re: Faith... [Re: Chronic7]
    #11368885 - 11/02/09 02:33 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I meant why make something the object of trust, of faith?
What stops us from believing in ourself that we have to look for something or someone else to guide us?


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Re: Faith... [Re: Ahimsa]
    #11368890 - 11/02/09 02:33 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Ahimsa said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
Yes. You know what else I think. That using death as an adviser is the best way to navigate this maze called life. If one starts to ignore their ultimate vulnerability then it's easy to start believing in impossible shit.




So true. I'm going to die one day. Most of the time i forget that. I act like i will always be like this. Perhaps a little older, but never dead. It rarely crosses my mind... Perhaps being more aware of death could help us to humble ourself somewhat and be more loving towards one another. After all, it is now that we live and can enjoy the things valuable to us. Hereafter is another ballgame altogether. It is true what you say, death awareness puts things into perspective like no other.




this is what i like about buddhism so much (especially tibetan buddhism).  the emphasis they place on letting go of the fear of death.  also, in yogic philosophy they say that all negative mental habits (samskaras) originate from avidya, the fear of death.  experiencing yoga, is the stilling of these "fluctuations of the mind", so getting past the fear of death IS yoga in a way.  im so not there yet, but i understand how important it is.

not really sure how this relates back to faith.  i think faith is one of those words that gets meaninglessly tossed around too often.


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Re: Faith... [Re: Chronic7]
    #11368907 - 11/02/09 02:35 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Chronic777 said:
Quote:

Ahimsa said:
Why believe in 'existence' and not just in ourself?
Why have faith in something and not trust that we ourself can find our way?
Why put our trust into something else?





You say 'why put our trust in something else?' as if existence is something other than you!?
How far is existence from you?

I am saying its to fully trust in yourself, life, existence, to let it unfold :rose:

The guidance of 'finding our way' can come from within or externally, but its only  ever coming from existence...
Its all the same trip

:peace:





i agree with you, but maybe ahimsa follows a dualistic approach to spirituality??


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Re: Faith... [Re: yogabunny]
    #11368930 - 11/02/09 02:37 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Ahimsa said:
What stops us from believing in ourself that we have to look for something or someone else to guide us?




Nothing stops you :shrug:

I didnt say to have faith in something or someone else, i said faith in existence

Which is yourself


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this is what i like about buddhism so much (especially tibetan buddhism).  the emphasis they place on letting go of the fear of death.  also, in yogic philosophy they say that all negative mental habits (samskaras) originate from avidya, the fear of death.  experiencing yoga, is the stilling of these "fluctuations of the mind", so getting past the fear of death IS yoga in a way. 





Getting past the fear of death is definately Yoga, union with eternity :thumbup:

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Re: Faith... [Re: Chronic7]
    #11368962 - 11/02/09 02:43 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

i like your sig chronic


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Re: Faith... [Re: Chronic7]
    #11368989 - 11/02/09 02:46 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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I didnt say to have faith in something or someone else, i said faith in existence

Which is yourself




But that is exactly what i mean. Only here the object is 'existence'.
Where does this need come from to name what i am in order to have faith in myself?
Why not just have faith in myself?

Because you see if i call myself 'existence' then i will start to develop all kinds of philosophies, and theories about it. Some will say existence is this or that, or the other.
But if i don't name myself being something, then there's no cause for misunderstanding, i just have faith in myself. At least, that's how it works best for me.:sun:


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Re: Faith... [Re: Ahimsa]
    #11369031 - 11/02/09 02:51 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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I didnt say to have faith in something or someone else, i said faith in existence

Which is yourself




But that is exactly what i mean. Only here the object is 'existence'.
Where does this need come from to name what i am in order to have faith in myself?
Why not just have faith in myself?

Because you see if i call myself 'existence' then i will start to develop all kinds of philosophies, and theories about it. Some will say existence is this or that, or the other.
But if i don't name myself being something, then there's no cause for misunderstanding, i just have faith in myself. At least, that's how it works best for me.:sun:




I see what your saying, im just saying 'existence' & 'self' are the same thing :wink:

Quote:


But if i don't name myself being something...




If you can really do this, then you'll know exactly what the Buddha knew...

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Re: Faith... [Re: Chronic7]
    #11369239 - 11/02/09 03:19 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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    Quote:

    But if i don't name myself being something...


If you can really do this, then you'll know exactly what the Buddha knew...




There's nothing to it and it has nothing to do with the Buddha imo.


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Re: Faith... [Re: Ahimsa]
    #11369284 - 11/02/09 03:24 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Do you name yourself being this body?


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Re: Faith... [Re: Chronic7]
    #11369307 - 11/02/09 03:27 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Chronic777 said:
Do you name yourself being this body?




Eeuh... i have a name given to me by my parents. That's how people can call out to me.
Apart from that, i have no other name.

EDIT: Oh... and AHIMSA ofcourse. :naughty:


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