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When to fruit this monotub? pictures
#11361521 - 11/01/09 08:57 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hi everyone, its my first time doing monotub. I used 2 BRF cakes spawned to pasturised straight coir. Forgot the holes with polyfill, but pretty sure the substrate should have enuf air exchange where its in. Will try to include the holes when i put this tub in FC. The spawn has been in the coir for the 8th day now.
I took a photo 3 days ago and was pretty excited to see the progress

3 days later i took another photo, not sure if its just me or the mycelium doesnt seem to be growing. Not sure if anyone can tell from these photos.

I saw a bit of yellowish on some patches of mycelium

Should i be concern about this? Lastly, anyone able to estimate how many days before i should fruit this tub. I dont like the idea of opening the tub to check. Thks
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#11361527 - 11/01/09 09:01 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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really I would have left it covered for another day but it will fill in if you put it in the FC...it will be ok. Great work.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: rizingfire]
#11361588 - 11/01/09 09:24 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would love to cover it for just another day and fruit it. But what about those small patches uncolonized shown in the pics. I doubt it will be fully colonized in 1 day, or is this how a monotub work?
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#11361859 - 11/01/09 10:35 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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ive had coir not fluff up totally before, if i compare your pics precisely, it DOES grow just look.
to answer your question, from the last pic, id consider waiting a few more days then casing/fruiting it.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#11361903 - 11/01/09 10:48 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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this is a classic example of what happens when you use brf pf cakes as spawn. a lot of times your bulk substrate will barely colonize at all. even without contamination.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: ohmatic]
#11361918 - 11/01/09 10:52 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thks Ohmatic, i've read up on Ohmatic monotub. First time on straight coir and monotub. Thks for the suggestions. I will check up on it again in 5-6 days and post up pics to get more suggestions. Thks again ^^
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: prismism]
#11361924 - 11/01/09 10:53 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anything i can do about it now to salvage the situtation?
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#11431165 - 11/11/09 03:47 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hi again guys! It has been about 9 days since i last took a pic of my monotub. I opened the tub and realise that certain minor parts are still barely colonized. But, as someone pointed out previously, the mycelium is definately still growing as seen on the side of the tub. I am now abit worried that the coir might be contaminated due to that the mycelium just doesnt seem to fully colonized certain part of the coir as shown in the pic below, or the only other conclusion i can sum up to is that there might not be enought water.
 This pic is excatly 15 days from innoculating with BRF cakes. Which looks about the same when its 6 days from innoculating (other than the mycelium growing up the sides of the tub.)
 This pic is immediately after it is cased with dry straws.
Other than the holes that were suppose to be on the side for FAE, any other pointers anyone might be willing to share with me?
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#11431282 - 11/11/09 04:57 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fruit it.
Looking at your first pic and comparing it to the one you just posted shows a lot of growth.
The first pic has definite uncolonized patches. The last one is done.
Sometime myc is extremely thin and a lot of people post on here asking if they have cobweb when it grows like that.
It is growing up the walls like that because it is searching for more food.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: dancefloordale]
#11431364 - 11/11/09 05:41 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Appreciate the prompt reply, i wanted to fruit it and i have just cased it 2 days ago and incubate the tub. I was planning another day after incubation before i put it in fruiting conditions. Or should i just put it in FC immediately?
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#11431510 - 11/11/09 06:46 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good to go with your original plan.
Edit- though I have to say, I haven't seen a straw casing yet. Where did you get the idea?
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Edited by dancefloordale (11/11/09 06:47 AM)
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: dancefloordale]
#11431540 - 11/11/09 07:11 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I dont understand the point of a casing layer using dry staw.
A casing layers purpose is to provide a microclimate benificail for pinning and to supply water.
Also, doesnt straw contaminate easily?
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: veda_sticks]
#11436200 - 11/11/09 07:37 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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i dont get it either. you should case with moist verm or verm and peat 50/50.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: dancefloordale]
#11438940 - 11/12/09 06:42 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks again for the advice dancefloordale. I didnt get the idea of using dry straws, just that from where i am from, vermiculite is hard to come by. Thought of using perlite, but change my mind halfway thru as it doesnt look clean at all.
So i thought i improvise and see if any results, decent or otherwise can be achived. So far, chances are, that i am far from having good results, the small but consistant yields that i am getting are enough to sustain my needs and damn!! Jupiter, Mars sometimes the Moon will be playground of mine for more than a couple hours ^^
My hope now is to be able to achive bigger yields using tubs with materials that are accessable. I will be taking the tub outta incubation very soon, also couple more aluminium trays will be incubated soon. Once i master using mono tubs  i wont be needing these messy trays, BRF and hopefully perlite. Just WBS and coir, maybe abit used coffee grounds.
I will post the lastest pics for the tub after incubation. Again this is my first tub ever. Any advice is greatly appreciated.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#11438974 - 11/12/09 07:04 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea guys, again from where i come from, even getting perlite for my projects posed abit of problem untill few months back.
I got tired of just sitting around waiting and figuring where to get what (prices on ebay with shipping are just way out of my league)
After i found perlite I started with whatever materials i have and comes along the way, , sticking to 'the original plan' as best as i can and with advices from members like dacefloordale, Doc etc i finally was able to get consistant results.
I had to admit, not having all the correct materials and knowledge wasnt easy, my first couple of tries was a total failure. Instead of the lovely Cubensis, i end up with Schizophyllum commune.
 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10271995
Thats was harsh. Waiting daily for 3 months and after pinning was when i realise it wasnt what i wanted LOL. After my spores arrive, i managed to learn using PF cakes casing to achieve yields enough for my needs.
 These are the lastest casings, but i figure there is way less mess and maintenance with monotub.
Again, my first tub ever!! will come out of incubation in less than an hour. I will post some pics up in abit. Any advice will be nice.
Edited by carbonsteel (11/13/09 05:52 AM)
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#11439415 - 11/12/09 09:30 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hi everyone ^^ The tub had just came out of incubation after 3 days. These are the lastest pics after casing post incubation.


The mycelium doesnt seem to have enter the casing as much as when im using PF cakes casing.

But i put it in fruiting conditions anyways. I will again post more pics on the progress of my first tub to report on its progress. Any comments or sugguestions will be happily accepted. Thanks
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#11441269 - 11/12/09 02:29 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Was the straw dry when you applied it as a casing layer? If so you messed up. Casing layer should provide moisture as was mentioned above so you should have HYDRATED TO FIELD CAPACITY before application. That means let it soak for a few hours or simmer it for a bit (best because it will pasteurize it). The straw should be cleaned SOME how not just applied directly. Now as the myc grows onto it moisture will be pulled from your sub for colonization. Just search straw and read about it... dry is a no-no.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: Stusi]
#11446107 - 11/13/09 04:04 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for the advise Stusi, had i messed up, chances are that my babies will not be growing and i wouldnt have been to the moon and back LOL
I usually soaked my dry straws for a day or two. Afterwhich, i sterilized instead of pasteurizing it, by then the dry straws are slightly moist. I will then proceed to use these dry straws by casing them and preparing for incubation. After casing and making sure that the casing is as flat as i can managed, i spray the casing heavily and wrap with aluminium foil. It is then incubated for 3 days before i put it in FC.
I tend to get pretty consistant results for casing dry straws + BRF cakes cased with dry straws, long as i dont "experiment" too much with the ingredients.
 Each of the above casing comes from a fully colonized jar of this size shown below
 I guess the downside is that the casing will get 3 flushes, the 4th if im very lucky before contamination occurs. Else, i am able to get most casings to fruit with the poor choice of materials that i have access to.
My yield for casing cakes is nothing close to what many members are getting on shroomery, thats something i am working very hard on to improve on now.
I am currently trying to master monotub for better yields, i have more distance stars & planets to visit!! A long journey to travel still!! Plenty of fuel for the trip will be nice
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#11456141 - 11/14/09 07:57 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hi everyone, hi dancefloordale, i have questions regarding maintainance of the monotub. Just a quick recap, the monotub was inoculated on the 29th of Oct. It was put into fruiting conditions on the 13th of Nov. It is now 15th of Nov and I can see some primodia formation, not as much as i hope it would have turn out on my monotub.
I finally made holes on the sides and top of the tub, covering with micropore tape. It is left in my grown room which has a ventilation fan. I switch on the ventilation fan 2 to 3 times everyday for about 30 mins. So far, i have misted only twice when i see the surface of the casing drying alittle.
Is the microspore covered holes on the container sufficient for the casing? Anymore maintaince like manual fanning or misting i should include for the monotub to fruit like one? Thanks.
PS: I will post a pic of the monotub in few hours when the primodia formation are clearer and can be detected in a photo.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#11456603 - 11/14/09 09:26 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Day 2 in the fruiting chamber, i opened the sarin wrap took some photos lightly misted, gave it some fanning and covered back up.
 Picture of the full tub
 Close up for better visual on the knots
Again, should i even be doing that? Or should i just leave it alone? Thanks..
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#11457112 - 11/14/09 11:05 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Everything you are doing is good. Manual misting and fanning will help you get a nice flush. Evaporation of moisture is the key here, but you don't want it drying out. Keep up the good work!
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: dancefloordale]
#11457819 - 11/15/09 01:58 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks dancefloordale, i will for sure keep fanning and misting to help it flush better. But if i decide to 1 day leave my monotubs alone.
I have a ventilator fan running in a small tiled toilet. Very clean, only used for growing purposes. With the holes i have included in the monotubs covered with micropore tape, say i leave the monotubs with 'field capacity' moisture, can i leave it from there on, without any maintaince what so ever? The ventilator fan will be switched on a couple times per day for about 30 mins to keep the air in the grow room fresh.
Will the shrooms still fruit? Will there be enough moisture? or fresh air? Thanks again all.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#11457837 - 11/15/09 02:03 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, it should be fine on its own. However, it will perform better if you do fan and mist.
Slack off on the misting after pins begin to form, otherwise you may end up with aborts if you don't fan well enough afterward.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: dancefloordale]
#11457999 - 11/15/09 03:14 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice to hear that shrooms will still fruit even if i leave it alone. But again, i will definately fae, mist and those usual stuff i do. Thanks again dancefloordale
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#11465144 - 11/16/09 04:03 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hi guys, just for an update i will be posting another picture for the monotub in a couple of hours.
Was hoping to get more feedback for this new tub im on. Again, this is only my 2nd tub. My first tub has not even fruited yet, but pretty sure the first tub will be coming on in a few days. Im seeing some knots, should be soon ^^
The 2nd tub, spawned to pure coir excatly 7 days ago with fully colonized corn. I will be using WBS on the next tub. I wanted to check out corn, cakes and WBS to determine which spawn material will be better.
  I would say it has 30% more to colonize, another 3 to 4 days maybe? Any suggestion will be appreciated. Thanks.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#11472433 - 11/17/09 07:54 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice, should have tried monotub like a long time ago. So much neater especially without perlite and sticky BRF. WBS and coir seems to be enough for it to fruit. Was told that adding ground coffe, gysum works out good also.
Not sure if its going to work out nicely for me on the first tub. But finally i saw the firsts pins!!!
 Thks
Unfortunately there are not many around at the moment, crossing my fingers that more will pop up tomorrow ^^ I have been misting once daily, and manual FAE twice daily. I also finally included holes taped with mircopore tapes with ventilator fan running for 30mins per session few times daily.
Anymore things i can do to increase yield?
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#11472459 - 11/17/09 08:05 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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There are knots all over that tub. MS flushes can be very spread out.
You should have a decent number of pins pop up in the next couple days.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: dancefloordale]
#11472607 - 11/17/09 08:52 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wats up dancefloordale, thanks for your encouraging advices.
Sure hope that more pins will be popping up, but even if they don't, at least im convinced that i can get a monotub to fruit with coir & BRF/WBS/corn spawn. Guess i will be putting away perlite & BRF for awhile. Unfortunately i do still have some BRF left, cant keep it for too long it will go sour, its a pity to throw it away. I remember reading somewhere that BRF has high contamination rate, but should i add some in my coco coir on my next monotub? If the risks are worth it, how much should i add?
While trying to master monotubs, the next thing i will be learning will be using the mycelium on agar from the petri dish thingy tek. I noticed that quite a number of members mentioned that the transfered agar thingy (clone?)are prefered over multi spores inoculation, at least till the 3rd of 4th generation (not sure why yet, but will be finding out)
One more thing dancefloordale, i really think that Hydra tek is crazy, and would not even have read it had it not come from you. Does it really work? I'm willing to try it on one, maybe two pins that you helped me brought up.
You didn't describe the procedure to doing Hydra tek, except that i know it has something to do with cutting off the pins head. I understand the importance of being sterile, but when should i start the beheading, how much should i cut, how long before the pin recovers, should i water still after cutting for fear of water droplets on the "wound" on the shrooms? Should i decrease humidity?
I saw alot of sarcasm on the replies, please be assured this is not one of them. Instead of wasting time typing sarcasm I would usually move on to another page when i see something crazy or do not agree with.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#11472741 - 11/17/09 09:32 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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You are def. going to see more pins. Also, I would mist twice a day as opposed to one. And always fan AFTER misting. I'm sure you know that but there are those that don't do this.
I used some 3 yr old brf for the first cakes I did, everything turned out fine (all my supplies came from a previous roommate and fellow shroomerite). I still fucking hate cakes.
It couldn't hurt to add it to your bulk sub (I wouldn't think but I may be wrong).
A Coir/verm/gypsum substrate will probably be the most contaminant resistant combination.
Clones and Isolates allow for much more consistent and predictable flushes. It is important to keep in mind though that not all isolates are going to be potent. Thats why if you get into agar work ( I still haven't) you need to test al of your isolates before going crazy with them to make sure they have the desired characteristics/potency you want.
Now, as for the Hydra tek... its total BS. There was some asshole who made an account asking about trimming pins and so I responded with this. I think there might be a link to the original thread in they Hydra tek link.
Sorry for the confusion, it was written to sound legitimate. I was going to put a disclaimer in there (so this wouldn't happen to curious individuals) but RR locked it.
It's there for the 's
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: dancefloordale]
#11472786 - 11/17/09 09:49 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
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Now, as for the Hydra tek... its total BS. There was some asshole who made an account asking about trimming pins and so I responded with this. I think there might be a link to the original thread in they Hydra tek link.
Sorry for the confusion, it was written to sound legitimate. I was going to put a disclaimer in there (so this wouldn't happen to curious individuals) but RR locked it.
It's there for the 's
thats just fuckin classic
and carbon i know its going to be hard but you got to stop opening that tub just let it sit there and that first tub looks GREAT keep up the good work
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: dancefloordale]
#11476677 - 11/18/09 03:18 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hi everyone, my apologies to members who are generous with advices but felt that my replies are slow. Im from a totally different time zone, but i will try to reply as soon as i possibily can to show my appreciation towards these advices.
Nice dancefloordale, i definately saw more pins, i will take some pictures again in couple hours to update. Unfortunately, the pins are still far less than what i tend to come across in shroomery, just hope more comes soon. Also, other than a couple of decent size pins (nothing close to big, but decent on my standards) most of the pins seemed kinda small.. like really small.
What do you think? substrate content (pure coco-coir)? because i fruited with BRF cakes? didnt have enuf holes for my FAE? the strain is definately good, as i had some good size fruits from this particular strain.
Again, i will post more pics up to update on the progress and hopefully get more feedback. Thanks again dancefloordale.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: noobieshroomie]
#11476698 - 11/18/09 03:31 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thks shroomie ( i prefer this tittle to noobie LOL) This is my first tub ever!!! Hopping to achieve better yields than casing cakes, and keep things neater with monotubs.
I'm damn impatient, but its not that difficult to let the monotub just sit there. I just didnt want the substrate to be too dry or be screwed with stale air.
Till now, i cannot really tell visually if the casing is at "field capacity" Any visual telltale signs anyone can maybe teach me? I do most of the times see many very tiny water droplets on the casings, but i also know that it doesnt meant that the casing/substrate is well hydrated. The water droplets seem to always be there.
I have a second tub coming up pretty soon, will try not to open up the tub all the way till harvest (hopefully) But what about casing? I usually case with dry straws (long story) and incubate it for 3 to 4 days before i leave it in fruiting conditions.
Unless i leave out casings, i have to open the tub before harvest at some point. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks again ^^
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#11476861 - 11/18/09 06:02 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I finally took a shower and was able to get some photos after feeling cleaner LOL..


Again, the quantity of the pins looks pityful, my only hope is that much more pins will develope. The size, even though small was not as bad as i thought it was. FAE maybe? not enough holes?? I have 4 holes about 1/8" diameter on each lenght of the tub. Another 3 holes, measuring also 1/8" in diameter on the width of the tub. Alot of small holes poke thru sarin wrap covering the tub. All holes are taped with micropore tapes.
Tub is placed in a ventilated room with only 1 ventilator fan running few times for a period of about 30mins per session.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
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I think you need lots more FAE.
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#11476892 - 11/18/09 06:19 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: Epilson Lyrae]
#11477024 - 11/18/09 07:18 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I place 4, 1 1/2" - 2" holes along the long sides of the tub. Two at substrate lvl, two at the top. Two holes on each of the short sides, one at substrate lvl, one up top.
I agree, more FAE. It doesn't looked dried out to me. I fan 4-5 times a day, water twice. Once pins begin to appear I quit misting the top of the sub (unless it dries out significantly) and shoot water between the sides of the tub and trash bag with a syringe (don't overdo it).
Lighting. You want direct light overhead on the substrate pretty close to the light. Very important, IMO in achieving great pinsets in conjunction with proper misting and fanning.
Casing is entirely optional. Done right, uncased tubs perform just as well as cased.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: dancefloordale]
#11477050 - 11/18/09 07:28 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thks dancefloordale, i will have to include alot alot alot more 1/8" holes for more FAE for the next tub. For this ongoing tub, i will just have to manual FAE. Just hope i have better pinset on the 2nd flush.
Thanks for the link gngsteroflove ^^ its gonna help alot.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#11483708 - 11/19/09 04:56 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Harvested about 70% of the fruits, will do so for the rest in abit. I have already included tons of holes in my next tub, small no doubt, but they make up in numbers. Hopefully, it will fare better in terms of yield.

Couple of questions, i read many version of performance with and without casing. Will there be much difference if i leave out casing on the next tub? Thks.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: Epilson Lyrae]
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That's right, FAE the fucking shit out of it, that will solve everything.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: Poseidon]
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Poseidon said:
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gngsteroflove said: I think you need lots more FAE.
That's right, FAE the fucking shit out of it, that will solve everything. 
Lol I've noticed that people here are quick to blame FAE for everything, I'm more inclined to think that the substrate was too dry and/or not enough nutes hence the mycelium climbing up the walls of the tub.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: spastick]
#11509078 - 11/23/09 05:34 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hi guys, i have decided that my monotub is a failure... my yield was pityful. I have another 3 tubs going, 1 tub was totally destroyed by contamination, 2nd tub was partially contaminated. Tried saving it, and is currently grown outdoors. 3rd one is still looking good....up till now....
The contaminated tub

I cut by the sectors which are contaminated and remove the healthy pieces. Chances are it will not work, but i have decided to grow outside away from my grow room.
Sad outcome, my first tub worked but with pityful yield, 2nd and 3rd tub failed totally. Hopping that the last tub will come out nicely. I guess i failed probably because my pasturisation methods are sloppy.
No tubs fruiting at the moment, but i do have 1 casing fruiting with decent pin sets with a huge pin that has aborted but the rest are still looking good.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#11509723 - 11/23/09 09:52 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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What do you think you did wrong in the pasteurization process?
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: sync]
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so let me get this straight, you soak the straw for 1-2 days, then PC it correct?
if so, why are you calling this a dry straw casing. i would think that it is near if not at "full capacity" from all of that. Also have you tried not casing with your "dry straw" to see if results are the same?
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: sync]
#11516716 - 11/24/09 04:09 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hi sync, i guess i'm was just lazy during pasterization process for the 2nd and 3rd monotubs. I have a total of 4 monotubs which i prepared. I prepared only enough substrate for monotub 1 first, as i wanna know if i am able to spawn to coir and fruit it successfully.
I soak the first batch of coir in hot water till it cools. I then move the whole pail to a clean room and drain it. After washing my hands with anti bacteria soap, i start to "layer" the substrate with bare hands. First bottom layer is coir then spawn and so on, ending the last layer with spawns.
I was pleasantly surpised when with the help of members in shroomery, i managed to get the pure coir monotub to fruit (again, with very poor results) So i went for the 2nd and 3rd one. This time, just like the 1st time, i poured boilling water to soak till it cools. I did not move it to a clean room to drain this time, i did that right in the kitchen....and after drainning it, i left it there for like 2 days before using it. I knew i should have re-poured hot water and wait for it to cool before using....I was lazy I assume that is what causes the contamination on monotub 2 & 3.
No worries though, due to the wwwaaayyyyy lesser work involve with monotubs compared to casings PF cakes, not to mention that it is much neater (at least for me) I will try to master monotubs.
I will also in the future try to inocculate the coir once it cools as soon as i can inorder to minimised contamination.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: Mr. Mushroom]
#11516728 - 11/24/09 04:16 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hi Mushroom San, yes, i soak the "dry straws" and then PC it. I hope after the procedure, it is considered "field capacity" I have not tried uncased substrate as i am still very new to this, i do not know if i can get an uncased substrate to fruit. I do plan to try it very soon.
I will post up some pics for the fruiting casing, only because it is producing some good size babies 
Also, when i buy the "dry straws" it comes dried..i shouldnt be calling it dry straws after it has been soaked and PCed... but i tend to make the mistake of calling it dry straws everytime.
Edited by carbonsteel (11/24/09 04:52 AM)
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#11516900 - 11/24/09 06:00 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hi again everyone ^^
The latest pictures are here!! Got about 50 grams wet, probably translating to about 5g dry. I harvested abit later than i would like to, but its all good....

Some of the bigger fruits i harvested

Again, i find it more comfortable to fruit casings but im trying very hard to master monotubs, once my i can get most of my monos to fruit like my casings ^^ Damn!!!    
Edited by carbonsteel (11/24/09 06:01 AM)
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#11516962 - 11/24/09 06:46 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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throw that contaminated one away, the trich is taking over fast
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: anonjon]
#11517079 - 11/24/09 07:41 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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You will succeed, just try again.Do something differently this time you neven know
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: Batista]
#11517250 - 11/24/09 08:34 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thks anonjon. The one that is badly contaminated is already thrown.
Yea man, Batista, thks... I aint giving up yet.... not till i managed to get a decent stash for my long trip to the planets
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#11714280 - 12/24/09 09:37 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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you know the old saying an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure...make that something that crosses your mind everytime your doing a project then perhaps you will have 2 or 3 success stories and only one failure measure twice cut once...
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: stoner42001]
#11714293 - 12/24/09 09:41 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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also look at your spawn. it could be a path for contams as well.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: mister]
#11714317 - 12/24/09 09:47 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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nice shrooms, just a side tip...for you and everyone...be mindful of posting such fine clear photos of your fingerprints...nudge nudge, wink wink..know what i mean...
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12111008 - 02/27/10 11:34 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hi guys, since these last projects, i tried to manage a few more monotubs. Most of them came out decent... still not even near to the kind of weight i see in shroomery but i'm still trying.... One of the pics i that i had taken from one of the tubs

I have another uncased colonized substrate going on in a 5"x5"x5" container (closed cover, see thru sides) holding about 80% coir and 20% coffee, spawned from rye grain. I pour quite abit of spawn as the container seems to hold a decent amount of substrate. Took about 10 days for the whole container to fully colonized. As the container is transparent, before covering the sides & bottom of the container with foil to prevent side pinning. I can see the sides and bottom of the substrate in the container covered with clean, healthy whitish mycelium, fully colonized. But after opening up the container cover, i see brownish yellowish droplets on the mycelium. Tried dabbing some of the droplets with sterilized tissue, seems to absorbed water, no discolouration detected on the tissue. It is now in FC. Again, i am very new to these, here are some pics i had taken, any input from anyone who has seen these?
 Immediately after opening.
  After 1 day in the fruiting chamber.
 Closed up
Are they contaminated? Or are these hopefully "mycelium piss"? Any comments or suggestion from ppl who has came across these "droplets"?
Edited by carbonsteel (02/27/10 11:37 PM)
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12111049 - 02/27/10 11:43 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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they look perfectly fine to me..
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: biologys]
#12111508 - 02/28/10 02:05 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thks for the prompt reply biologys, glad that it is fine. What are those brownish yellow droplets then? If you click on the last closed up picture, they are visible. Again, really happy to know that they are not any kind of contamination. Thks again.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12111522 - 02/28/10 02:12 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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yellow droplets are normally "myc piss" or metabolites..
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: biologys]
#12111707 - 02/28/10 05:25 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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those brown spots look like some surface trich that failed to take hold to me. its fine.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: anonjon]
#12111766 - 02/28/10 06:16 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thks again biologys, wats up Anonjon?
I feel comfortable with "mycelium piss".. but surface trich which failed to take over? DAMN!! Should i be worried?? I had tried dabbing some of the "brownish yellow" droplets with clean tissue hopping to suck up the droplets. Wouldnt that have distributed trich spores?
Anything i can do to really decrease the chances of Trich forming without harming the mycelium? Had very bad experiences with Trich before.
 This tub was fully taken over by Trich by the time i opened it few weeks back. I had to admit that my methods for this particular tub was kinda sloppy.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12111773 - 02/28/10 06:19 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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well, the fact u having such problem w/ trich makes me think i was right.
but the fact that its brown means whatever it was the myc killed it.
i never really worry about anything yellow or brown. it's grey and green that worry me.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: anonjon]
#12112122 - 02/28/10 09:01 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice thks, real glad to hear that. I will keep it in FC and keep real close eye one it. I will keep the pics posted for any further progress worthy to share.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12118331 - 03/01/10 06:21 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hi again guys, very glad to still not see any green crap in the container today.

Took another closed up shot of the container again today. I was assured that the "brownish yellow" tint on the mycelium is not an issue but im still worried. Will be keeping a close eye. Any more feedbacks from anyone? Are the brown yellowish tint metabolites, failed trich colony or other kind of crap? I would love to know the name of the brownish yellow tint. Thanks
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12156876 - 03/06/10 11:18 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just to update on the progress of this container. The last few pics i posted on the surface of the mycelium with the yellowish brownish tint did not work out. I got worried after about 5 days without seeing any signs of pinning activity.
I flip the whole substrate out of the container with the initial surface of the mycelium now facing the bottom. With all the sides of the mycelium cube exposed. Within a day of doing that, i saw signs of primordia formation. By the 2nd day, minor pinning activity.
Any explanation on this issue. Thanks
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12156892 - 03/06/10 11:23 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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well i don't know if your opening the tub ever time you take pics, if you are that might have some effect . You should only be opening the tub to harvest and dunk.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: bumpn]
#12157060 - 03/07/10 12:21 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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A little extra FAE shouldn't hurt. Monos are great for low maintenance, but they can be given a mist and fan now and again, too.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: myceleus_rex]
#12157202 - 03/07/10 01:10 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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If your tub is colonized and doing well, the last thing that you should do but the first thing you want to do is fuck with it like you have. You have probably set yourself back by days or even weeks by flipping your substrate. What I think you should do is not expect your first tub to give you the results that you want. What I think is that you should get a feel for them and get used to screwing them up by loving them too much and trying too hard to be the professional mycologist. I may be wrong but from what I've read, you may loose a few tubs due to lack of patience. I'm not being mean, but do you remember doing cakes? If so then you remember (maybe) being too hands on. You can do the same with tubs. You aren't guarenteed results just because you do tubs. What I suggest is that you slow down. Make up a tub. Let it colonize. Say fuck that tub, Ive followed advice. See what happens without your help. If they grow and are stringy, add fresh air, etc. Leave them alone and start from where they grow.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: Epilson Lyrae]
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gngsteroflove said: If your tub is colonized and doing well, the last thing that you should do but the first thing you want to do is fuck with it like you have. You have probably set yourself back by days or even weeks by flipping your substrate. What I think you should do is not expect your first tub to give you the results that you want. What I think is that you should get a feel for them and get used to screwing them up by loving them too much and trying too hard to be the professional mycologist. I may be wrong but from what I've read, you may loose a few tubs due to lack of patience. I'm not being mean, but do you remember doing cakes? If so then you remember (maybe) being too hands on. You can do the same with tubs. You aren't guarenteed results just because you do tubs. What I suggest is that you slow down. Make up a tub. Let it colonize. Say fuck that tub, Ive followed advice. See what happens without your help. If they grow and are stringy, add fresh air, etc. Leave them alone and start from where they grow.

can't disagree with anything here.
Op said it started forming primordia days within flipping it. I could see that happening if there was no liner and the sub was on the moist side.
So you might get lucky op, but you should try to work on 'set and forget' in the future.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: anonjon]
#12162975 - 03/08/10 04:33 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Naw... I'm here to learn, not the sensitive kinda guy. Just wanna grab my shrooms and travel the universe.
Just to set things right. These recent pics i posted is not a mono tub. I donno wat to call it..... Huge PF cake from a supposingly container casing?
I would consider my last few real mono tubs unsuccessful, as the yield is far from what i read here in shroomery. But, i still managed to stash a decent amount of shrooms. I probably had some of them better ones posted with pics on shroomery's.
My apologies for the confusion.
Now back to the container. I am an impatient guy, but nothing close to "loving my cakes" Again after fliping, and after seeing pinning activity, i see more primordia formation on different parts of the "cake?" I will post some pics up, hopping to seek any comments on increasing yield. I am under the impression that it might be overlaying, but i remember reading somewhere that overlay shouldnt occur if i am not using a casing. Again, any comments will be great. Thanks
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12163001 - 03/08/10 05:19 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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When you spawn it you cover the surface and it takes 3-5 days total and should be 100% at the end of the 5 days if you don't have contamns...then you go to 12/12 and just wait...
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: rizingfire]
#12163781 - 03/08/10 10:32 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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What I meant by loving them to death is that when I tried to grow, the reason for most of my early failure was that I was too 'hands on'. I was constantly readjusting everything and just didn't leave them alone enough. That's all I meant by that. It can be a drag waiting for and initiating pinning, knowing when and when not to mist etc.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: Epilson Lyrae]
#12181712 - 03/11/10 05:08 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yea man, i know wat u meant. I have some lastest pics, anyone care to comment? Just to recap, it was initially in a transparent container. I wanted to fruit it from there as someone from previous post suggest that i try fruiting the substrate uncase.
But after 4 to 5 days? I still did not detect any pinning activity, i fliped the whole substrate out of the container and tried fruiting it like a cake. The cake doesnt look much, but i have a few more of the transparent container coming up. Spawned from colonized rye seeds.
Trying to figure out the best way to fruit the substrate achieving the highest yield without using a casing. The containers are also coming up fast, hope to get more suggestion before i start fruiting those.


Any help and suggestion on the pics will be greatly appreciated.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: anonjon]
#12182032 - 03/11/10 08:20 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have also noticed from experience that you can bruise you myc while getting it out of the jars. I experienced that when I broke my wrist and could not keep the grain shook up. As a result I had to brake it up with a butter knife. Three days later I had blue bruising in my trays.
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carbonsteel
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: Spin_Dr]
#12188129 - 03/12/10 03:33 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Checked the container today and found that the shrooms are almost ready for harvest. Within 12 to 24 hours, fortunately the babies looks larger than what i usually managed to grow, but even though i have yet to harvest, i highly doubt that the yield will be satisfying.
Again, i have a few more similar containers coming up, it will be great if anyone can share their experience in cultivating uncased cubensis or large cakes? Thks guys.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12188599 - 03/12/10 07:54 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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you can think im a dick but im gonna say it:
the reason your harvest isn't gonna me satisfying is: you keep fucking with it taking it out of the tub flipping it ect. and by the look of your FC you didn't use one of the sure thing teks
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carbonsteel
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: bumpn]
#12192525 - 03/12/10 08:34 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nah man, again, im not a sensitive guy. Not especially on the net. So, please do not worry about being blunt. I am truely appreciative with members who had been commenting and giving suggestion so far. I learnt how to cultivate "god's flesh" here in shroomery, and i plan to fine tune and master the skill here in shroomery also.
Ok, back to the "loving the cakes" thingy. I do love the process of growing but i do not screw around with it, like i did when i started with casings. One advice from lots of members gave around here is not to screw around with it too much.
I have constructed a number of tubs, with tons of holes drilled, mostly covered with micro tapes. I peel off micro tapes from the holes according to how much humidity & fresh air flow the project might need as it progress from primordia formation to pinnning formation to mushroom muturity.
The tubs comes with a transparent cover with a number of drill holes, mostly also covered with micro pore tapes. I tried using the tubs itself to grow "monotubs" or lining the tubs with perlite and leaving my casings or cakes in there either on aluminium or wire mesh. I managed to get all casing, cakes and monos to grow. But up till now, only casing seems to produce good yield for me consistantly. I also feel that it is alot more work compared to preparing monos or cakes.
That is why this time i'm i am trying to grow from cakes and leaving my cake in the tub with micropore covered holes, lined with perlite. Even with removing some of the micro pore tapes, i still open up the cover, always after a shower and especially when i left my cakes or casing inside, to fan the cakes/casing inorder to get in more fresh air. And sometimes to mist, to keep the casing/cakes with enough moisture. That is also when i take a couple of pics and post them up here in shroomery and seek comments.
For this particular project, using the same tub lined with perlite. I fliped the whole substrate out of a container i colonized the substrate in after it was fully colonized. I did that only because i saw that the suface of the mycelium on the container are tainted with brownish, yellowish liquid, which is I suspect to be mycelium piss "metabolites"?
 
And the substrate did not show any signs of primordia formation of pinning activity after 4 to 5 days. I usually see formation activity after 2 sometimes 3 days after i put it to fruiting conditions, either on monotubs, casings or cakes. During fliping i also realised that the surface had formed some thicken mycelium formation which collects water. Bad sign? I would have asked if they are overlayed, but i remember reading here in shroomery that substrate without casing do not overlay.
I am already told not to screw with it too much, so i guess and will take less photos but i still have to open the cover as much to fan and mist.
Currently I hoping to seek advice on what to do with the upcoming containers which are already fully colonized. I do have vermiculite & peat moss which i can prepare the casing with but i plan to fruit these uncased, either leaving the whole containers in one of the tubs lined with perlite, or again fliping the whole substrate of the container and fruiting them as cakes.
Here are some of the lastest pics, of the current ongoing cake we had been discussing. The bottom of the cake is also growin shrooms as the substrate is extended up with a wire mesh. I dont plann to take any photos of the bottom of the substrate till harvest time inorder to have minimium contact with it.


Again, i have a number of similar containers coming up. I really hope to seek comments on wheater to fruit the substrate in the container itself in the tubs lined with perlite as shown on the first sets of pics or again fliping the substrate out of the containers placed on a wire mesh in the tubs lined with perlite when they are ready inorder to acheive the highest yield as shown on the second sets of pics? Thanks again guys for the comments.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12193026 - 03/12/10 10:17 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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i don't understand why you want to flip it.
if you fruit it as a cake, fruit it right side up. you'll get a better pinset this time. also if you fruit it as a cake make sure you're hydrating it well. your last flush seemed rather puny.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: anonjon]
#12193207 - 03/12/10 11:02 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hi Anonjon!! I fliped it because im impatient, as i didnt see primordia formation activity for like 4 to 5 days. Also, the brownish yellowish tint and some water collecting gave me the impression i should flip it inorder to increase my chance of fruiting the substrate. It was only after fliping with the bottom side up, did i realise that the initial surface of the substrate fruited decently.
So, u think i should leave the right side up with those upcoming containers if i decide to fruit as a cake. I will do excatly that then.
But should I fruit them as cakes, which means i have to flip them out of the container, but this time i will fruit them the right side up. Or just leave the whole container in the tubs and fruit them as it is? Thanks man Anonjon.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12194216 - 03/13/10 07:51 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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maybe show us what your tub looks like.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: anonjon]
#12194289 - 03/13/10 09:29 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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The cake is on a wire mesh in this tub.

So wat u think?
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12199271 - 03/14/10 07:52 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I tested some of the shrooms. 2 consecetive days, about 20g to 25g fresh each dose. Again, the yield are abit disappointing, but I pretty satisfied with the trip ^^. I hope the few containers which i plan to dunk tomorrow and put it in fruiting conditions the day after, produce the kinda of potency this batch has. Thanks for the help guys
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12200293 - 03/14/10 01:03 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Are you allowing enough air exchange?
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: Epilson Lyrae]
#12204838 - 03/15/10 04:54 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yea, i am allowing air exchanges for this project. Any thing i should change or do in this project? Thks
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12209529 - 03/15/10 10:11 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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i would suggest trying to fruit it as a tub. but maybe modify the tub to be more like a traditional ohmatic monotub. or modify the holes to be more like doc t's mini mono.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12210016 - 03/15/10 11:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
carbonsteel said:
 
And the substrate did not show any signs of primordia formation of pinning activity after 4 to 5 days. I usually see formation activity after 2 sometimes 3 days after i put it to fruiting conditions, either on monotubs, casings or cakes. During fliping i also realised that the surface had formed some thicken mycelium formation which collects water. Bad sign? I would have asked if they are overlayed, but i remember reading here in shroomery that substrate without casing do not overlay.
If they look like those don't flip them, no problems there. Let them run on their own schedule.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: PrimalSoup]
#12217088 - 03/17/10 04:34 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hi guys!! Thanks for the advices Anonjon & PrimalSoup, that means i should fruit as a tub but i just do not have the time to do the modifications in time for the "upcoming containers"
I had therefore fruited it as a cake, this time the right side up. Sadly, just like the 1st container, i see some stagnant water on the mycelium surface, that was the main reason i fliped the substrate over the first time, because of discolouration & stagnant water. Anything i should do about it? Or just leave the damn thing alone?
Thanks again guys.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12217118 - 03/17/10 05:11 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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leave them alone,...they look somewhat healthy my man.patience young grasshopper...lol
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: 99BOOMERMAN]
#12219097 - 03/17/10 02:26 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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if it pools too badly and you get the itch to do something about it, dab it up with a clean paper towel.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: anonjon]
#12222770 - 03/18/10 04:48 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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LOL.... i know i know.... shows that im so damn impatient. Sorry guys, i dont tend to look at my project much when my stash is huge. But recently, it had been dwindling, it kept me on my toes.
I had always see myself more of a weed guy and initially i didnt like shrooms very much. Till recently like half a year back, i felt it!! The very soothing mental state (at least for me) is something that got me crazy!! I began chomping on my stash, i have totally no idea how much i went thru, but it is pretty much.
And now, i am trying to figure ways whereby i can increase my stash as fast as i can. I will post the lastest pics when the new cake shows signs of pinning activity, the 2nd cake had already been dunk and pins are showing. I still dont feel good about the water, but i will leave it alone, and as Anonjon had mentioned, i will use paper towel to suck up the excess water if i have no other choice.
Pretty confident that they will be growing, but i hope to acheive way more yield than 7g to 8g dry harvest on that big a cake. Thanks for the help guys.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12236269 - 03/20/10 10:42 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nice, the 2nd "cake" seems to be showing very nice signs of pinning activity. Strange thing is the top side doesnt seem to be have any sort of primordia formation. The sides and bottom are pinning pretty well. I will post some pics up when i get the chance.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12239960 - 03/21/10 01:12 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hi guys, just to update for more comments. The 1st cake is currently now on its second flush. The fruits are some of the biggest i managed to grow, the biggest pin is about 4" to 5", and their caps have not opened yet. Hopefully the potency is as good as the first flush. The yield is probably gonna be crap.

The 2nd cake is now pinning decently. I can only see 5 sides of the "cake". But i am pretty sure, just like the 1st cake, there will be pinning at the bottom, as i had left a piece of aluminium foil at the bottom to prevent water from the perlite ever touching the pins at the bottom and at the same time it reflects light encouraging pinning at the bottom of the cake.
 
I had been into this hobby for about a year, and very briefly i went thru fruiting from cakes, monos, jars, spawning and casings. I tend to have more consistant yield from casings than any other methods but they are also the most labour intensive. For these 2 "cakes" i used colonized grains, which when fully colonized i spawned them to coir & coffee layered in a transparent 4"x4"x4" container. Took about 2 weeks to fully colonized both the containers.
Both times i planned to fruit from the containers housed in the tub itself. But both times i ended up flipping the substrate out from the containers and fruit it as a cake. The first cake was fliped upside down, ended up with pitiful yield but crazy potent fruits. The second cake was fliped right side up and is currently looking to produce way more fruits than the 1st cake.
I have already decided that spawning to coir and coffe from grains to achieve the biggest/heaviest substrate will be the least labour intensive for myself, and i will probably be using this method in the future. I will only have to tweak on my pinning methods to get better yields.
I thought of casing the "cake" with vermiculite for future grows, should i sterilized the vermiculite or am i fine using it as it is. From what i have read, the yield will be more than what i am doing now? I do dunk my cakes but i prefer leaving out vermiculite casing if i can, but if it will increase my yield drastically, i will use it. Any comments? Thanks ^^
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12247010 - 03/22/10 04:50 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hi again everyone!! I have started harvested on the 1st cake which is on 2nd flush at the moment.
I am only halfway done with the harvesting, planning to harvest the balance within the next 6hrs to 12hrs. Good news is, some of the fruits i have harvested is CRAZY big!! (at least for me)
I weight some of the fruits, one of them weight 32 grams fresh, the second one came in at 26 grams fresh. The fruits are fresh, but they are far from moist/wet. I just hope the fruit will be as potent as the first flush.
I will post some more pics up in abit. Any answers on the "sterilized vermiculite"? Thanks again everyone.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12253430 - 03/23/10 04:39 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Here are some lastest pics of the 2nd cake on 1st flush. The fruits are not as big as what i had on the 1st cake, but there are way more pins.


I really hope the upcoming fruits will be as potent as the 1st cake.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12322259 - 04/03/10 08:40 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sup all. Managed to harvest and be done with the 2 cakes. I managed to get the first cake to 2nd flush and only managed for the 1st flush for the 2nd cake.
All in all, compared to the effort i had put in for casing spawing from grains to coir works out nicely for me. Again, i need to tweak my pinning strategy, fruiting conditions and what not, but due to the waayyy lesser effort needed for this method even the yield i harvested was decent.
For my next few projects, i will be doing the same, spawning from grains to coir. But this time i will fruit all the upcoming containers in the tubs.
I will be casing with vermiculite, i read up alot of materials on vermiculite. Probably not the best, but pretty much all i have now.
I will first sterilized the moist vermiculite , though many mentioned it is not necessary. I will then proceed directly to case the containters with fully colonized mycelium after the vermiculite has cooled.
Since it will be the first time i will be casing with vermiculite, may i know if i do the same casing procedure applies to casing with vermiculite compared to peat moss? Thanks guys ^^
Some of the pics from the 1st cake 2nd flush.


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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#13029642 - 08/09/10 11:20 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alot of useful informatiun I found in this thread-thanks.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: starcade]
#13030611 - 08/10/10 07:16 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: starcade]
#13030725 - 08/10/10 08:14 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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starcade said: Alot of useful informatiun I found in this thread-thanks.
A good demonstration of growing in the absence of fresh air.
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