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carbonsteel
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12118331 - 03/01/10 06:21 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hi again guys, very glad to still not see any green crap in the container today.

Took another closed up shot of the container again today. I was assured that the "brownish yellow" tint on the mycelium is not an issue but im still worried. Will be keeping a close eye. Any more feedbacks from anyone? Are the brown yellowish tint metabolites, failed trich colony or other kind of crap? I would love to know the name of the brownish yellow tint. Thanks
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12156876 - 03/06/10 11:18 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just to update on the progress of this container. The last few pics i posted on the surface of the mycelium with the yellowish brownish tint did not work out. I got worried after about 5 days without seeing any signs of pinning activity.
I flip the whole substrate out of the container with the initial surface of the mycelium now facing the bottom. With all the sides of the mycelium cube exposed. Within a day of doing that, i saw signs of primordia formation. By the 2nd day, minor pinning activity.
Any explanation on this issue. Thanks
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12156892 - 03/06/10 11:23 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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well i don't know if your opening the tub ever time you take pics, if you are that might have some effect . You should only be opening the tub to harvest and dunk.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: bumpn]
#12157060 - 03/07/10 12:21 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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A little extra FAE shouldn't hurt. Monos are great for low maintenance, but they can be given a mist and fan now and again, too.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: myceleus_rex]
#12157202 - 03/07/10 01:10 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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If your tub is colonized and doing well, the last thing that you should do but the first thing you want to do is fuck with it like you have. You have probably set yourself back by days or even weeks by flipping your substrate. What I think you should do is not expect your first tub to give you the results that you want. What I think is that you should get a feel for them and get used to screwing them up by loving them too much and trying too hard to be the professional mycologist. I may be wrong but from what I've read, you may loose a few tubs due to lack of patience. I'm not being mean, but do you remember doing cakes? If so then you remember (maybe) being too hands on. You can do the same with tubs. You aren't guarenteed results just because you do tubs. What I suggest is that you slow down. Make up a tub. Let it colonize. Say fuck that tub, Ive followed advice. See what happens without your help. If they grow and are stringy, add fresh air, etc. Leave them alone and start from where they grow.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: Epilson Lyrae]
#12160883 - 03/07/10 07:31 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
gngsteroflove said: If your tub is colonized and doing well, the last thing that you should do but the first thing you want to do is fuck with it like you have. You have probably set yourself back by days or even weeks by flipping your substrate. What I think you should do is not expect your first tub to give you the results that you want. What I think is that you should get a feel for them and get used to screwing them up by loving them too much and trying too hard to be the professional mycologist. I may be wrong but from what I've read, you may loose a few tubs due to lack of patience. I'm not being mean, but do you remember doing cakes? If so then you remember (maybe) being too hands on. You can do the same with tubs. You aren't guarenteed results just because you do tubs. What I suggest is that you slow down. Make up a tub. Let it colonize. Say fuck that tub, Ive followed advice. See what happens without your help. If they grow and are stringy, add fresh air, etc. Leave them alone and start from where they grow.

can't disagree with anything here.
Op said it started forming primordia days within flipping it. I could see that happening if there was no liner and the sub was on the moist side.
So you might get lucky op, but you should try to work on 'set and forget' in the future.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: anonjon]
#12162975 - 03/08/10 04:33 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Naw... I'm here to learn, not the sensitive kinda guy. Just wanna grab my shrooms and travel the universe.
Just to set things right. These recent pics i posted is not a mono tub. I donno wat to call it..... Huge PF cake from a supposingly container casing?
I would consider my last few real mono tubs unsuccessful, as the yield is far from what i read here in shroomery. But, i still managed to stash a decent amount of shrooms. I probably had some of them better ones posted with pics on shroomery's.
My apologies for the confusion.
Now back to the container. I am an impatient guy, but nothing close to "loving my cakes" Again after fliping, and after seeing pinning activity, i see more primordia formation on different parts of the "cake?" I will post some pics up, hopping to seek any comments on increasing yield. I am under the impression that it might be overlaying, but i remember reading somewhere that overlay shouldnt occur if i am not using a casing. Again, any comments will be great. Thanks
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12163001 - 03/08/10 05:19 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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When you spawn it you cover the surface and it takes 3-5 days total and should be 100% at the end of the 5 days if you don't have contamns...then you go to 12/12 and just wait...
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: rizingfire]
#12163781 - 03/08/10 10:32 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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What I meant by loving them to death is that when I tried to grow, the reason for most of my early failure was that I was too 'hands on'. I was constantly readjusting everything and just didn't leave them alone enough. That's all I meant by that. It can be a drag waiting for and initiating pinning, knowing when and when not to mist etc.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: Epilson Lyrae]
#12181712 - 03/11/10 05:08 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yea man, i know wat u meant. I have some lastest pics, anyone care to comment? Just to recap, it was initially in a transparent container. I wanted to fruit it from there as someone from previous post suggest that i try fruiting the substrate uncase.
But after 4 to 5 days? I still did not detect any pinning activity, i fliped the whole substrate out of the container and tried fruiting it like a cake. The cake doesnt look much, but i have a few more of the transparent container coming up. Spawned from colonized rye seeds.
Trying to figure out the best way to fruit the substrate achieving the highest yield without using a casing. The containers are also coming up fast, hope to get more suggestion before i start fruiting those.


Any help and suggestion on the pics will be greatly appreciated.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: anonjon]
#12182032 - 03/11/10 08:20 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have also noticed from experience that you can bruise you myc while getting it out of the jars. I experienced that when I broke my wrist and could not keep the grain shook up. As a result I had to brake it up with a butter knife. Three days later I had blue bruising in my trays.
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carbonsteel
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: Spin_Dr]
#12188129 - 03/12/10 03:33 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Checked the container today and found that the shrooms are almost ready for harvest. Within 12 to 24 hours, fortunately the babies looks larger than what i usually managed to grow, but even though i have yet to harvest, i highly doubt that the yield will be satisfying.
Again, i have a few more similar containers coming up, it will be great if anyone can share their experience in cultivating uncased cubensis or large cakes? Thks guys.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12188599 - 03/12/10 07:54 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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you can think im a dick but im gonna say it:
the reason your harvest isn't gonna me satisfying is: you keep fucking with it taking it out of the tub flipping it ect. and by the look of your FC you didn't use one of the sure thing teks
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: bumpn]
#12192525 - 03/12/10 08:34 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nah man, again, im not a sensitive guy. Not especially on the net. So, please do not worry about being blunt. I am truely appreciative with members who had been commenting and giving suggestion so far. I learnt how to cultivate "god's flesh" here in shroomery, and i plan to fine tune and master the skill here in shroomery also.
Ok, back to the "loving the cakes" thingy. I do love the process of growing but i do not screw around with it, like i did when i started with casings. One advice from lots of members gave around here is not to screw around with it too much.
I have constructed a number of tubs, with tons of holes drilled, mostly covered with micro tapes. I peel off micro tapes from the holes according to how much humidity & fresh air flow the project might need as it progress from primordia formation to pinnning formation to mushroom muturity.
The tubs comes with a transparent cover with a number of drill holes, mostly also covered with micro pore tapes. I tried using the tubs itself to grow "monotubs" or lining the tubs with perlite and leaving my casings or cakes in there either on aluminium or wire mesh. I managed to get all casing, cakes and monos to grow. But up till now, only casing seems to produce good yield for me consistantly. I also feel that it is alot more work compared to preparing monos or cakes.
That is why this time i'm i am trying to grow from cakes and leaving my cake in the tub with micropore covered holes, lined with perlite. Even with removing some of the micro pore tapes, i still open up the cover, always after a shower and especially when i left my cakes or casing inside, to fan the cakes/casing inorder to get in more fresh air. And sometimes to mist, to keep the casing/cakes with enough moisture. That is also when i take a couple of pics and post them up here in shroomery and seek comments.
For this particular project, using the same tub lined with perlite. I fliped the whole substrate out of a container i colonized the substrate in after it was fully colonized. I did that only because i saw that the suface of the mycelium on the container are tainted with brownish, yellowish liquid, which is I suspect to be mycelium piss "metabolites"?
 
And the substrate did not show any signs of primordia formation of pinning activity after 4 to 5 days. I usually see formation activity after 2 sometimes 3 days after i put it to fruiting conditions, either on monotubs, casings or cakes. During fliping i also realised that the surface had formed some thicken mycelium formation which collects water. Bad sign? I would have asked if they are overlayed, but i remember reading here in shroomery that substrate without casing do not overlay.
I am already told not to screw with it too much, so i guess and will take less photos but i still have to open the cover as much to fan and mist.
Currently I hoping to seek advice on what to do with the upcoming containers which are already fully colonized. I do have vermiculite & peat moss which i can prepare the casing with but i plan to fruit these uncased, either leaving the whole containers in one of the tubs lined with perlite, or again fliping the whole substrate of the container and fruiting them as cakes.
Here are some of the lastest pics, of the current ongoing cake we had been discussing. The bottom of the cake is also growin shrooms as the substrate is extended up with a wire mesh. I dont plann to take any photos of the bottom of the substrate till harvest time inorder to have minimium contact with it.


Again, i have a number of similar containers coming up. I really hope to seek comments on wheater to fruit the substrate in the container itself in the tubs lined with perlite as shown on the first sets of pics or again fliping the substrate out of the containers placed on a wire mesh in the tubs lined with perlite when they are ready inorder to acheive the highest yield as shown on the second sets of pics? Thanks again guys for the comments.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12193026 - 03/12/10 10:17 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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i don't understand why you want to flip it.
if you fruit it as a cake, fruit it right side up. you'll get a better pinset this time. also if you fruit it as a cake make sure you're hydrating it well. your last flush seemed rather puny.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: anonjon]
#12193207 - 03/12/10 11:02 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hi Anonjon!! I fliped it because im impatient, as i didnt see primordia formation activity for like 4 to 5 days. Also, the brownish yellowish tint and some water collecting gave me the impression i should flip it inorder to increase my chance of fruiting the substrate. It was only after fliping with the bottom side up, did i realise that the initial surface of the substrate fruited decently.
So, u think i should leave the right side up with those upcoming containers if i decide to fruit as a cake. I will do excatly that then.
But should I fruit them as cakes, which means i have to flip them out of the container, but this time i will fruit them the right side up. Or just leave the whole container in the tubs and fruit them as it is? Thanks man Anonjon.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12194216 - 03/13/10 07:51 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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maybe show us what your tub looks like.
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: anonjon]
#12194289 - 03/13/10 09:29 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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The cake is on a wire mesh in this tub.

So wat u think?
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12199271 - 03/14/10 07:52 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I tested some of the shrooms. 2 consecetive days, about 20g to 25g fresh each dose. Again, the yield are abit disappointing, but I pretty satisfied with the trip ^^. I hope the few containers which i plan to dunk tomorrow and put it in fruiting conditions the day after, produce the kinda of potency this batch has. Thanks for the help guys
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Re: When to fruit this monotub? pictures [Re: carbonsteel]
#12200293 - 03/14/10 01:03 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Are you allowing enough air exchange?
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