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ID - PNW LBMs
    #11358789 - 10/31/09 07:09 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

OK, rather than assume I'm finding duds, I'd like to confirm once and for all that these guys I keep finding are inactive. I think that groups 2 and 3 are the same species now that I've seen them for a while. Thanks everyone!

Habitat:
Found in a city park, muddy mix of bark and Doug Fir needles, mostly mud.

Gills:
1 - Black, unattached 2 - dark brown, unattached, 3 - I think this is the same species as #2. 4 - Orange, attached. 5 - white, attached


Stem:
Stringy yet solid on all except 5, which is whispy and thin.


Cap:
Photo explanatory. dime-sized, all but 4

Spore print color:
1 - black, 2 - black, 3 - black, 4 - orange, 5 - white


Bruising:
gah! Why no bruising! *weeps*:confused:




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Re: ID - PNW LBMs [Re: fortytwo]
    #11358810 - 10/31/09 07:12 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I dont really know a great deal but it doesnt look like any of those are libs :sad:

keep hunting :thumbup:


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Re: ID - PNW LBMs [Re: dicky21]
    #11358819 - 10/31/09 07:14 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

They do not appear to be anything active. Wait for a TI to validate.


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Re: ID - PNW LBMs [Re: fortytwo]
    #11358841 - 10/31/09 07:17 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

1. maybe panaeolopsis species
2 -3 psathyrella species
4. mycena species
5. maybe gymnopus species


Edited by vjp (10/31/09 07:18 PM)


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Re: ID - PNW LBMs [Re: fortytwo]
    #11359635 - 10/31/09 09:36 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, so even in the event of non-Cyans, blue bruising should be evident, 100% of the time?


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Re: ID - PNW LBMs [Re: fortytwo]
    #11359701 - 10/31/09 09:49 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

that depends on WTF you mean by non-cyans.

in general, most mushroom species of course do not bruise blue.

many mushrooms bruise blue, and many active species bruise blue faintly, unreliably, rarely or nearly not at all.


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Re: ID - PNW LBMs [Re: canid]
    #11360207 - 11/01/09 12:12 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Well, in the PNW we have these mushrooms called "Psilocybe Cyanescens" that distinctly bruise blue. I've found Boletus that bruise blue, of course. So pardon me for being to brief in my question, but thanks for letting me know that active species may not indicate their activity with the tell-tale blue bruising.

I'm finding LBMs with substantial, thick, white stalks, black spore prints and black gills, hygrophanous caps. As it turns out, these characteristics are still not definitive of psychoactivity. It's awesome that folks on this board are so generous in helping with IDs, but I'm at a loss for identifying such species as Pan. Subbalteatus, Foenisecii (which I thought was #1), Psil. Semilanceata, Pelliculosa, and Baeocystis.

I've hiked countless hours and parks through this season so far, I've never found an active, and I'm beginning to see the same species over and over and over. I'm glad that I posted these so I know for sure that these are NOT active.

This is simply my inductive process of discovery.


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Re: ID - PNW LBMs [Re: fortytwo]
    #11360434 - 11/01/09 01:08 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I thought #1 was foes when i first looked at it. You said that #1 has a black spore print and foes have brown spore prints.

Theres a good chance that #1 is not panaeolopsis species i was just taking a guess. You got any other pics of #1?

There are alot of actives in PNW if your not finding any then i would suggest finding new spots and searching as many places as possible.  If there has been rain in your area recently then they are out.


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Re: ID - PNW LBMs [Re: vjp]
    #11360539 - 11/01/09 01:45 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry, I just looked at #1 and they are pretty wasted. The surface of the caps are cracked, which reminds me very much of Copelandia Cyanenscens, from Florida, where I used to hunt, where life was much easier, I digress....

I will go back tomorrow and grab some more of #1 and post. Thanks again everyone! This forum rocks!


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Re: ID - PNW LBMs [Re: fortytwo]
    #11371966 - 11/02/09 09:20 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, so here are some more #1s - more where that came from! Note the flakey cap thing. Also, as a bonus, so red ones I haven't found until today. Good sign, I'm seeing new ones today.



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Re: ID - PNW LBMs [Re: fortytwo]
    #11372077 - 11/02/09 09:41 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

those are good indicators that you are looking in the right area...

i see a lot of sulfur tufts, puffballs, cucumber mushrooms and stropharia ambigua near cyans...sometimes right beside.

try looking in the grass beside the wood chips
this early in the season i find more around the edges of tree base wood chips than i do on the actual wood chips.


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Re: ID - PNW LBMs [Re: fortytwo]
    #11372108 - 11/02/09 09:45 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Those don't look active to me. The bottom ones look like a Hypholoma species. And I don't think the tops ones are Cyans they look more like Pan Foes.


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Re: ID - PNW LBMs [Re: fortytwo]
    #11372211 - 11/02/09 09:59 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Ok, so here are some more #1s -





Psathyrella and Leratiomyces ceres.


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Re: ID - PNW LBMs [Re: fortytwo]
    #11372400 - 11/02/09 10:22 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks guys for the ID! And thanks FondaCox, that does go a long way in helping me. I have seen some--but not many--of the ambigua, mostly around distressed woody areas adjacent to fields (near Vernonia, OR).


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Re: ID - PNW LBMs [Re: fortytwo]
    #11372463 - 11/02/09 10:28 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

oh well i am way up in BC

my tips might not apply to that far south :shrug:


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Re: ID - PNW LBMs [Re: FondaCox]
    #11372883 - 11/02/09 11:24 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

where you at in bc fonda?


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Re: ID - PNW LBMs [Re: Libertycapper]
    #11372995 - 11/02/09 11:36 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

van, you?


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Re: ID - PNW LBMs [Re: FondaCox]
    #11379058 - 11/03/09 08:34 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

live in surrey...pick cyans in van and libs and stuntzi in the valley


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Re: ID - PNW LBMs [Re: FondaCox]
    #11379217 - 11/03/09 08:54 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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FondaCox said:
those are good indicators that you are looking in the right area...

i see a lot of sulfur tufts, puffballs, cucumber mushrooms and stropharia ambigua near cyans...sometimes right beside.

try looking in the grass beside the wood chips
this early in the season i find more around the edges of tree base wood chips than i do on the actual wood chips.




In the one P. cyanescens patch I've found so far, I noticed the same thing. Clusters of more mature mushrooms were growing in the grass around the wood chips, as in that picture in my signature. All that was growing in the bare wood chips were tiny pins. I covered these with leaves and such, hoping they would keep moisture and humidity in and help the the little guys grow faster.

...I used to live in Surrey too. Kind of glad to be out now...

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