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A LIVING CHALLENGE
    #11357078 - 10/31/09 01:46 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Some times I  have used the word "warrior" around here and others have used it to mean something different.

It's a loaded word for sure. But it doesn't have to be imo if we take it to mean a tendency rather then a permanent state.

I really like the way Castaneda's character of Don Juan uses the word. 

"A warrior takes his lot, whatever it may be, and accepts it. He accepts what he is, not as grounds for regret but as a living challenge."

What a great way to look at things. No more whining, no more blaming, just taking the challenge of making the best of the life you have.

I don't think anyone will ever do this perfectly and to think that one must be perfect is a major reason for doing nothing.

Life can be very hard indeed. Unfortunately that's reality. I have found the only weapon I have to defend myself is taking what comes as a living challenge. And imo that's what makes one a warrior. If only for a moment at a time.


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Re: A LIVING CHALLENGE [Re: Icelander]
    #11357107 - 10/31/09 01:53 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I feel that a 'Warrior' is one who is not afraid of life but faces every aspect of life with the attitude 'Bring it on!'
Whatever it may be...

In a way we are programed with fear, so it will arise time to time & we wont say 'bring it on!'
We cower in fear...
But thats great...

As without the fear first arising we can't face it & break through it
You can't really be a warrior if your not pushing your mental boundaries...

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Re: A LIVING CHALLENGE [Re: Chronic7]
    #11357133 - 10/31/09 02:00 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Here's another little quote I like.

"The basic difference between acting like an ordinary man and a warrior is that as a warrior one takes everything as a challenge, while as a ordinary man one takes everything as either a blessing or a curse."


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Re: A LIVING CHALLENGE [Re: Chronic7]
    #11357192 - 10/31/09 02:13 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

When i conquer myself and change my habitual reactions to life's situations, thus avoiding having to feel and face any emotional hurt there may be within me, then i am a victor, a warrior perhaps in the battle to free my potential as a human being, no longer being attached to old behaviour but ever regenerating myself, ever new, ever living, ever challenging.

May we all come to know our purpose on this planet by finding ourself as an ever changing expression of wisdom and empathy in action. Whatever that may mean to you...

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Re: A LIVING CHALLENGE [Re: Ahimsa]
    #11357223 - 10/31/09 02:17 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Here's my experience. It's a daily challenge to change lifelong behaviors. Today I may do it and tomorrow not. The warrior, imo, just keeps at it.


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Re: A LIVING CHALLENGE [Re: Icelander]
    #11357424 - 10/31/09 02:54 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:
Here's another little quote I like.

"The basic difference between acting like an ordinary man and a warrior is that as a warrior one takes everything as a challenge, while as a ordinary man one takes everything as either a blessing or a curse."




It depends on the context, if 'challenge' is playful its all good
if its taking everything as a heavy challenege, like a 'problem'
then thats way to heavy for me, brother

if like the chinese or japanese (i forget) challenge is the same as 'opportunity'
then thats excellent
to me thats warrior is taking challenge as opportunity


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Re: A LIVING CHALLENGE [Re: Icelander]
    #11357430 - 10/31/09 02:55 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Pardon me if this is too personal. Say the word and I will delete this post. Now I have little idea of the challenges that you have or are facing, but here is what I do know:

You are a homeowner - and I believe your house is paid off.

You live in a quaint, low-stress town surrounded by wilderness.

You are doing what you love - training dogs.

You are healthy and fit.

You are retired with enough funds to carry you through.

You have a wonderful lady in your life.

You have plenty of time for meaningless activities such as posting on The Shroomery almost daily.


All of this does not seem very challenging to an outsider. It is not as if you are starving or fearing for your life or living on the streets scrounging thru dumpsters for a cold, half-eaten Big Mac. I am sure there are self-created problems (as we all do), but having all of your basic needs met and living in a near idyllic setting doesn't seem to be an obstacle-ridden path requiring great fortitude and courage.

I am not being smart-ass. Just curious as to what I am missing.


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Re: A LIVING CHALLENGE [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11357449 - 10/31/09 02:59 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

OC challenges are all mental

the dude eating the big mac out the dumptser could not feel hes being challenged at all

the dude whose rich & chillin could still be challenged within his mind

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Re: A LIVING CHALLENGE [Re: Chronic7]
    #11357467 - 10/31/09 03:02 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

So if I hit my head with a hammer and then I stop, I have overcome a challenge?

The Shackleton crew ('The Endurance') stranded in the arctic for almost two years, now they was some boyz that faced real challenges.


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Re: A LIVING CHALLENGE [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11357484 - 10/31/09 03:06 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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So if I hit my head with a hammer and then I stop, I have overcome a challenge?




your certainly mentally challenged if your hitting yourself  in the head with a hammer!

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Re: A LIVING CHALLENGE [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11357494 - 10/31/09 03:08 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

That's all surface shit and at your age you should know that.


So I know something about you too.

You live comfortably enough

You make enough money self employed that you don't need to work for anyone else.

You are healthy and fit.

You have plenty of time for play.

I know you well enough to know that doesn't by itself make you happy or content.:shrug: I think I know that you have many emotional challenges that make living a challenge.


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Re: A LIVING CHALLENGE [Re: Chronic7]
    #11357505 - 10/31/09 03:10 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

You make that sound funny, but how many westerners do that with food?

A zillion books on diet and health, running and biking paths, several gyms in every town, and people struggle with weight. It is not complicated. All of the factors are known.

How is 'fighting obesity' different than hitting oneself with a hammer?


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Re: A LIVING CHALLENGE [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11357527 - 10/31/09 03:15 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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You make that sound funny, but how many westerners do that with food?

A zillion books on diet and health, running and biking paths, several gyms in every town, and people struggle with weight. It is not complicated. All of the factors are known.

How is 'fighting obesity' different than hitting oneself with a hammer?




Exaclty, its all in your mind

Its obvious, eat healthy & exercise, but people stuck in their minds
We've all been there & are there, to an extent

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Re: A LIVING CHALLENGE [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11357548 - 10/31/09 03:19 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Pardon me if this is too personal. Say the word and I will delete this post. Now I have little idea of the challenges that you have or are facing, but here is what I do know:

You are a homeowner - and I believe your house is paid off.

You live in a quaint, low-stress town surrounded by wilderness.

You are doing what you love - training dogs.

You are healthy and fit.

You are retired with enough funds to carry you through.

You have a wonderful lady in your life.

You have plenty of time for meaningless activities such as posting on The Shroomery almost daily.


All of this does not seem very challenging to an outsider. It is not as if you are starving or fearing for your life or living on the streets scrounging thru dumpsters for a cold, half-eaten Big Mac. I am sure there are self-created problems (as we all do), but having all of your basic needs met and living in a near idyllic setting doesn't seem to be an obstacle-ridden path requiring great fortitude and courage.

I am not being smart-ass. Just curious as to what I am missing.




You are missing that he arrived there by making progressively more skillfull choices to carve out his own reality. Don't forget the baggage he dropped along the way. :smile: He left his loops.


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Re: A LIVING CHALLENGE [Re: Icelander]
    #11357562 - 10/31/09 03:22 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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That's all surface shit




Perhaps, but it is physical and substantiatve. A starving kid dying of AIDS in war-torn Africa can adjust his attitude - maybe - but cannot 'think' himself out of the real-world challenges presented by his situation in the same way that a person with self-created or culturally-created issues could.

A person not having his basic needs met, (food/shelter/companionship/purpose) must spend most of his time and energy struggling to obtain them.


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Re: A LIVING CHALLENGE [Re: rebus_minus]
    #11357581 - 10/31/09 03:25 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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You are missing that he arrived there by making progressively more skillfull choices to carve out his own reality




Perhaps, but the inverse is not necessarily true. The person who lost everything to a tsunami or hurricane or stock market fraud or illness did not necessarily make bad choices.


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Re: A LIVING CHALLENGE [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11357595 - 10/31/09 03:28 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Funny you should mention Africa. A new friend of mine, Anthenah (seriously thats his name :lol: ) , is from Ethiopia. He emigrated to Canada about six months ago. A true warrior imo. Despite extremely harsh conditions and a history of abuse from the government etc, he has always taken on everything as a challenge. In his homecountry he managed to become a banker, and even though he instantly is 'relegated' to the 'lower class' working two crappy jobs here, he was always happy, always optimistic and an inspiration for people around him.

Worse destinies are of course not hard to find, but that doesn't really say anything about whether one can take life as a challenge or not, now does it?


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Re: A LIVING CHALLENGE [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11357617 - 10/31/09 03:29 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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That's all surface shit




Perhaps, but it is physical and substantiatve. A starving kid dying of AIDS in war-torn Africa can adjust his attitude - maybe - but cannot 'think' himself out of the real-world challenges presented by his situation in the same way that a person with self-created or culturally-created issues could.

A person not having his basic needs met, (food/shelter/companionship/purpose) must spend most of his time and energy struggling to obtain them.





Good points. Surviving malnutrition has noting to do with being a warrior. That person will never have to face those challenges. I'm talking about the emotional challenges most of us well fed softies face. Being a warrior of course wouldn't apply to someone brain dead either.

Maybe some in war torn and starving conditions can think their way out of that situation or at least not be a total victim of the situation. We really don't know who does what over there and who makes it and doesn't and how.


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Re: A LIVING CHALLENGE [Re: Icelander]
    #11357623 - 10/31/09 03:30 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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So I know something about you too.

You live comfortably enough

You make enough money self employed that you don't need to work for anyone else.

You are healthy and fit.

You have plenty of time for play.





You forgot to mention my Dodge Viper (trading in for an Audi R8), my huge drug stash, the penthouse suite - and the hookers; oh yes - the gorgeous Vegas pros. :smile: :thumbup:


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Re: A LIVING CHALLENGE [Re: Icelander]
    #11357651 - 10/31/09 03:34 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm talking about the emotional challenges most of us well fed softies face.




As am I.

The housewife agonizing over whether to paint her kitchen robin's egg blue or arctic blue just does not seem like a warrior to this reader merely because she overcame her obsession with finding the perfect color.

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