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 Sondor
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 PF Tek in a Monotub? 
#11352207 - 10/30/09 02:07 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Greetings all,
I've decided to follow the majority of advice in the forumns, and will do a couple of traditional PF Tek BRF cultivations RR style, however, after I wish to try WBS - CCV in a monotub, and despite my search attempts, I haven't found any posts addressing the question of birthing the PF Tek in a monotub.
I'd rather not go through all the effort/money to create a SG FC or two if I'll only use it a couple of times if the BRF cakes can be birthed in a monotub which will apparently work for me for a long time.
Any thoughts are always appreciated!
Sincerely,
Sondor
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Re: PF Tek in a Monotub? [Re: Sondor]
#11352240 - 10/30/09 02:14 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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make both u will thank me later. and a shotgun fc is cheap as shit.
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Re: PF Tek in a Monotub? [Re: Sondor]
#11352249 - 10/30/09 02:15 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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It might work. It probably will work. Depends, really. Try it.
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Re: PF Tek in a Monotub? [Re: Doc_T]
#11352350 - 10/30/09 02:32 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have used cakes to spawn to cvc+g this is the deal.
you need 12 - 1/2 pint cakes or 6quarts of spawn crumbled very well.
your coir substrate is
1 brick of coir
1 quart of verm
1 cup or so of spent coffee grounds
1 cup of gypsum (if you want, its optional like the coffee)
1 gal of water
pasteurize your substrate for and hour @ 140-160F and when its cool mix with your spawn in an 18gal monotub.
ps. - my grow log (in my sig) has links to several coir teks and pasteurizing teks and other usfull info.
or search citric or Large_Doses threads for lots of good teks with coir and monotubs. 
hope this helps answer your question.
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Sondor
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Re: PF Tek in a Monotub? [Re: Doc_T]
#11352356 - 10/30/09 02:33 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks Fig, and Doc_T,
The main difference I can see between the SG FC and a monotub is (and correct me if I'm wrong) there are no holes in the bottom of a monotub.
Yes, the holes are far smaller in a SG, but overall I see the FAE/GE essentially equal between the two methods?
Perhaps I'm missing something else critically different between the two methods? I'll admit to suffering from 'Tek Overload'. 
I slept on it overnight, and just can't come up w/ a reason why the monotub wouldn't suffice.
Thanks again for the valuable feedback!
Sincerely,
Sondor
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Sondor
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Re: PF Tek in a Monotub? [Re: Sondor]
#11352373 - 10/30/09 02:37 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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13Shrooms,
Whoa, now you are suggesting I combine the two methods! Lol, I love it...
Hmm, I was hoping to go w/ two tried and true methods (RR PF Tek, followed by traditional WBS+CCV+Monotub) to start, but damn, now you've really got me thinking!
...I love this place and all the folks here 
Sincerely,
Sondor
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Re: PF Tek in a Monotub? [Re: Sondor] 1
#11352404 - 10/30/09 02:44 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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the prob with just cakes in a mono is their is nothing suppling humidity. the bulk substrate in the mono is what supplies the humidity and in the shotgun fc its maintained by moist perlite.
you can just put cakes in a shotgun fc with perlite and you get great performance but if you go and put the same cakes in a monotub their is nothing providing humidity only FAE.
you cant put perlite in a mono and get the same results as a shotgum fc due to no air moving up/wicking through the perlite carring the moisture up into the air. monos have no holes on the bottom and would render the perlite almost usless.
you can use grains (wbs/rye berries) or cakes and spawn them to the coir substrate, I use rye berries, its my prefered method.
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Re: PF Tek in a Monotub? [Re: 13shrooms]
#11352421 - 10/30/09 02:48 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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^^^ Right. And perlite isn't going to work in a monotub as well as it does in a shotgun, because of teh way the air flow works.
So cakes in a shotgun, bulk in a monotub. Or bulk in a hybrid mini mono- later.
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Re: PF Tek in a Monotub? [Re: Doc_T]
#11352535 - 10/30/09 03:07 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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13shrooms, and Doc_T,
Awesome information, I was thinking of using perlite in the bottom of the monotub, but I see your point re: airflow.
Ok, will do a full on SG FC, and later try the monotub.
Thanks!
Sondor
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Re: PF Tek in a Monotub? [Re: Sondor]
#11352709 - 10/30/09 03:37 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've successfully used a monotub to fruit cakes. Laid down a layer of papertowels then misted and fanned often. Making sure the papertowels stayed damp.
Also you can crumble cakes and spawn them to a bulk sub as well.
Demonstrated here:
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Re: PF Tek in a Monotub? [Re: Spongiform]
#11352771 - 10/30/09 03:47 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes it will work.
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Sondor
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Thanks all for the input.
Spongiform, the idea of paper towels is good, but if perlite won't leach moisture upwards because there are no holes in the bottom (hence no upwards airflow), then I'm not sure how paper towels in the bottom of a monotub would be any better than Perlite? Perhaps I'm missing something here?
I'm thinking perhaps do a monotub, but add 1/4" holes at the bottom and add perlite. The holes when I am done can be sealed up w/ duct tape, and it can become a traditional montub later in life if I should so desire?
My PC is fired up for the first time, and cakes are making a lovely singing noise.
BTW, Spongi, those are some damn fine pic's.
...I have fungi wood
/Cheers,
Sondor
Edited by Sondor (10/30/09 06:16 PM)
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Re: PF Tek in a Monotub? [Re: Sondor]
#11358615 - 10/31/09 04:34 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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The excess moisture in the paper towels evaporates into the air. The few times I used that method I had to constantly resoak them and also change them out about once a week.
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