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OfflineGutteralRetch
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5-HTP + Mdma?
    #11350859 - 10/30/09 11:56 AM (8 years, 21 days ago)

So I've heard this rumor that taking 5-htp will help replenish your levels of (whatever) after a whole night of MDMA. Does anyone think this is true?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-Hydroxytryptophan


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Re: 5-HTP + Mdma? [Re: GutteralRetch]
    #11351588 - 10/30/09 02:31 PM (8 years, 21 days ago)

There's a lot of debate, but I think it helps (the chemical is serotonin, by the way). Take one or two before and after the roll and you won't feel quite as bad the next day. I also like to take an airborne about an hour before I drop. It has a shit-ton of vitamins (especially Vit C and B-12) and can help you not get sick when your immune system is down. I'm actually "prescribed" Travacor (it's OTC so it's only an Rx for FSA repayment purposes). This stuff is awesome. It has about 900mg of 5HTP per capsule and also a "secret" b lend of amino acids to help absorption.  It's a bit pricey at ~$60 per 120 caps, but I take it every night and it helps with a lot of things (mood, anxiety, sleep, etc).
Go buy a small bottle of 5HTP at Wal-Mart and take it before and after you roll. See how you feel and you'll know if you want to buy more or not.


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Re: 5-HTP + Mdma? [Re: GutteralRetch]
    #11352332 - 10/30/09 04:28 PM (8 years, 21 days ago)

I've fucked around with this a lot.

The only way I've found it to make any difference is taking it daily for a week or 2 prior to rolling. If I do that it seems like I can roll longer, and the day after doesn't suck. Also, it metabolizes into something else, before serotonin, so that makes me think that taking it right before the roll doesn't do much good.

I agree with switchy up there, that taking vitamins, eating right, and being generally healthy the weeks before makes a huge difference in my experiences with rolling.


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Re: 5-HTP + Mdma? [Re: Rustifer]
    #11352596 - 10/30/09 05:17 PM (8 years, 21 days ago)

take it after you roll when youre coming down DO NOT do it right before it cancels out most of you high. do it atleast the night before your gonna roll.


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Re: 5-HTP + Mdma? [Re: all_for_war]
    #11352792 - 10/30/09 05:51 PM (8 years, 21 days ago)

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DO NOT do it right before it cancels out most of you high. do it at least the night before your gonna roll.




Biologically that doesn't seem to make any sense. And from personal experience I can only say that statement is false. I've chomped down hundreds upon hundreds of rolls and who knows how much molly and I've been taking 5HTP since my 6th month. This is when I actually read up on things and started taking supplements. Since that time I have rolled harder, cleaner, and with less hangover and I ALWAYS take it beforehand (and after).
You may be thinking of magnesium, but that won't cancel out any high, it can just cause issues with your heart (although it is incredibly rare).


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Re: 5-HTP + Mdma? [Re: all_for_war]
    #11352879 - 10/30/09 06:03 PM (8 years, 21 days ago)

I also have tried taking it a few hours to even one hour before hand, and never noticed it negatively effecting the high at all.


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Re: 5-HTP + Mdma? [Re: Rustifer]
    #11352905 - 10/30/09 06:07 PM (8 years, 21 days ago)

Seeing as how that post is the only one that can even be found by all_for_war and he just joined 2 days ago: I wouldn't trust just about anything that he says. :rolleyes:

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Re: 5-HTP + Mdma? [Re: switchy85]
    #11353026 - 10/30/09 06:25 PM (8 years, 21 days ago)

Awesome! I think I'm going to invest in some. Does anyone know how much 5-HTP is at Wal-mart roughly?

(Dear Forum Gods, I'm asking pricing about herbal supliments, not anything else. Don't strike me down :laugh: )


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Re: 5-HTP + Mdma? [Re: GutteralRetch]
    #11353126 - 10/30/09 06:38 PM (8 years, 21 days ago)

5HTP is basically the same thing as seritonin.  Well 5HTP breaks down to 5HT which is seritonin. MDMA releases all your brain's seritonin at once. Taking 5HTP before a roll will increase the strength and duration of your roll. Unfortunately your body becomes less able to break down 5HTP after a roll, so it won't help much to reduce the crash, but it does to some degree.

If you want to roll really hard, take 2 5HTP capsules every hour for about 5 hours before you roll. 10 in total.

MDMA's neurotoxic affect on the brain is due to an oxidant that MDMA is metabolised into.  Vitamins and other antioxidants taken before, during, and after your roll will reduce brain toxicity.

I'm 99% sure this information is correct.  It's all outta my head, so if anyone sees something wrong, correct me.  Drunk too. :P


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Re: 5-HTP + Mdma? [Re: GutteralRetch]
    #11353160 - 10/30/09 06:42 PM (8 years, 21 days ago)

Last time I bought it I think I paid, like 9 bucks for a bottle of 50. It's incredibly cheap. Wal-Mart should have the purple bottles/little boxes, but I can't remember the brand name. I think it has the word nature in it (helps a lot, huh? lol).

I wouldn't take 10 caps within 5 hours before your dose. 5HTP has a habit of causing my stomach to get really upset if I take too much. I's start with just taking 2 capsules about 1-2 hours before you drop. Surprisingly the Travacor (900mg of 5HTP vs the regular 50-100mg) doesn't cause me any stomach trouble and I can take 2 or 3 or those at a time.


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Re: 5-HTP + Mdma? [Re: GutteralRetch]
    #11353178 - 10/30/09 06:45 PM (8 years, 21 days ago)

I think I paid 6 for mine there.

and.
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If you want to roll really hard, take 2 5HTP capsules every hour for about 5 hours before you roll. 10 in total.




I have tried this, and it doesn't seem to make much of a difference.


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Re: 5-HTP + Mdma? [Re: switchy85]
    #11353189 - 10/30/09 06:47 PM (8 years, 21 days ago)

5HTP can be hard on the liver, so it absolutely could cause "stomach" pain in some people. It does increase your roll, so if you'd like you could start at a lower 5HTP dose and work up if your digestive system takes it well.


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Re: 5-HTP + Mdma? [Re: Rustifer]
    #11353202 - 10/30/09 06:48 PM (8 years, 21 days ago)

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I think I paid 6 for mine there.

and.
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If you want to roll really hard, take 2 5HTP capsules every hour for about 5 hours before you roll. 10 in total.




I have tried this, and it doesn't seem to make much of a difference.




Really?  It worked very well for me.  And in theory it should work.  Weird..


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Re: 5-HTP + Mdma? [Re: BothHands]
    #11353284 - 10/30/09 07:02 PM (8 years, 21 days ago)

Here's an interesting thread on this over at bluelight.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=407429

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7. 5-HTP
Description: Precursor to Serotonin, increases serotonin levels

Dosage: 100mg x 3 post MDMA usage. Do not take it for more than 5 days in a row without dopamine precursors; otherwise it will cause depletion of dopamine – take with Green Tea




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Yes long term 5-htp usage depletes Dopamine.

serotonin and dopamine precursors use the same enzymes. and that enzyme is rate limiting.
so when ur taking 5-htp everyday, the enzyme is converting it to serotonin, but that enzyme gets depleted and dopamine's production is inhibited.


the only way to have optimal levels is to take both dopamine and serotonin precursors and not just one.

long term 5-htp usage causes depression and unbalanced neurotransmittor levels.

also, when you take 5-htp, MAO increases to metabolise the excess serotonin, not only does the serotonin get metabolised but so does dopamine and norepinephrine.




Good thing I didn't take them every day too much.


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Re: 5-HTP + Mdma? [Re: Rustifer]
    #11353576 - 10/30/09 07:56 PM (8 years, 21 days ago)

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Rustifer said:
Here's an interesting thread on this over at bluelight.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=407429

Quote:

7. 5-HTP
Description: Precursor to Serotonin, increases serotonin levels

Dosage: 100mg x 3 post MDMA usage. Do not take it for more than 5 days in a row without dopamine precursors; otherwise it will cause depletion of dopamine � take with Green Tea




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Yes long term 5-htp usage depletes Dopamine.

serotonin and dopamine precursors use the same enzymes. and that enzyme is rate limiting.
so when ur taking 5-htp everyday, the enzyme is converting it to serotonin, but that enzyme gets depleted and dopamine's production is inhibited.


the only way to have optimal levels is to take both dopamine and serotonin precursors and not just one.

long term 5-htp usage causes depression and unbalanced neurotransmittor levels.

also, when you take 5-htp, MAO increases to metabolise the excess serotonin, not only does the serotonin get metabolised but so does dopamine and norepinephrine.




Good thing I didn't take them every day too much.




I'm going to have to bring this up to my doctor who has me taking Travacor every night. I have (had? not really sure) anxiety issues and the Travacor helped me to not need the other drugs I was prescribed (except benzos, but that is no longer because of anxiety, but addiction). Good info. Thanks!


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Re: 5-HTP + Mdma? [Re: switchy85]
    #11354526 - 10/30/09 10:50 PM (8 years, 21 days ago)

yeah im not that experienced ive only been doing it for 4 years


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