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A clear danger from cannabis
    #11344904 - 10/29/09 02:18 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Classification isn't all-important. What's crucial is that we recognise cannabis does increase the risk of schizophrenia.



The Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD), on which Professor David Nutt sits, has an unfortunate history in relation to cannabis. In 2002, it boobed by advising David Blunkett, then home secretary, that there were no serious mental health consequences of cannabis use; the council had done a sloppy job of reviewing the evidence. Since that time, they have been trying to regain credibility, and now accept that heavy use of cannabis is a risk factor for psychotic illnesses including schizophrenia. However, Professor Nutt's comments demonstrate how difficult it has been for some members of the committee to accept their error.

Professor Nutt states that, in 2007, the ACMD were asked to review the situation again because "supposedly, skunk use had been increasing and it was getting stronger". In fact, the ACMD itself concluded that street cannabis was getting more potent and a Department of Health survey has shown that skunk has been taking an ever-larger share of the market.

Professor Nutt states that "there has been a lot of commentary and some research as to whether cannabis is associated with schizophrenia." It is crystal clear that people with schizophrenia use more cannabis than the general population; there is no dispute about this. The question is whether the use of cannabis contributes to the onset of psychosis including schizophrenia in a causal manner. Here the evidence, although not yet conclusive, has been mounting steadily over the past six years.

Professor Nutt contrasts a 2.6 fold increase in risk of psychosis carried by using cannabis with a twentyfold increase in risk of lung cancer if one smokes cigarettes. Unfortunately, he is not comparing like with like. The twentyfold increased risk is not carried by just being a cigarette smoker but rather by being a long-term heavy smoker. For cannabis, the risk of psychosis goes up to about six times if one is a long-term heavy cannabis smoker.

Next Professor Nutt claims that the incidence of schizophrenia is falling while consumption of skunk has been rising. Sadly, the paper he points to is a study of diagnosis in general practice and we know that GP records on psychosis are far from accurate. The only good longitudinal data on the incidence of schizophrenia in the UK comes from south London, where the incidence doubled between 1964 and 1999. There are probably several factors contributing to this but abuse of drugs is likely to be one.

Personally, I care little whether cannabis is classified as a class B or class C drug. Fourteen year olds starting daily cannabis use do not agonise over its exact classification; many do not even think it is a drug and few have any knowledge of its hazards. By comparison, most adults in the UK drink alcohol in moderation, but do so in the knowledge that drinking a bottle of vodka a day is likely to be injurious to health, and few are in favour of daily drinking from age 14 years.

Both Professor Nutt and I agree that what we need is a major educational campaign to inform the public about the risks associated with heavy use of cannabis particularly in early adolescence. Fortunately, there has been some progress in public understanding and, as a consequence, use of cannabis has been falling for the past five years.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/oct/29/cannabis-schizophrenia-classification


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Re: A clear danger from cannabis [Re: aj123]
    #11344989 - 10/29/09 02:36 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

professor nutt is a nut


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Re: A clear danger from cannabis [Re: xTJx]
    #11345007 - 10/29/09 02:39 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I call shenanigans!


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Re: A clear danger from cannabis [Re: Wingnutt]
    #11345043 - 10/29/09 02:44 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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I call shenanigans!



I got my broom!


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Re: A clear danger from cannabis [Re: Wingnutt]
    #11345051 - 10/29/09 02:45 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

So what? Alcohol is legal and it causes more destruction than any other fun past times.

Tylenol also causes deaths. Ban that as well.

Oh yea, tobacco is another thing.....

Might as well ban oxygen since it is poisonous to us.


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Re: A clear danger from cannabis [Re: AngryPhil]
    #11345065 - 10/29/09 02:46 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

moderate alcohol use, even light alcohol use leads to brain damage.
Don't believe me? Let me know and i'll sight sources.


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Re: A clear danger from cannabis [Re: TrancedShroom]
    #11345087 - 10/29/09 02:51 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

:goinsane:

:awedrugs:

Cannabis got me hooked on tobacco. That seem the worst side effect in twenty years. So far...

:gum:


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Because modern institutions depend on the transmission of a certain world view and then willing acquiescense in the truth of that world view by the populations into which it is being exported.
In other words a kind of cultural brainwashing is necessary for modern cultures to work at all.
The consequences of the acceptance of this situation of brainwashing is further acceleration toward catastrophe."
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Re: A clear danger from cannabis [Re: PlatformStrange]
    #11345112 - 10/29/09 02:53 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Why do you blame it on weed?


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Re: A clear danger from cannabis [Re: Conaman12]
    #11345122 - 10/29/09 02:55 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

That's the way over here, too much tobacco, not enough weed in them there reefers.....

:ganja: :coffee:


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:mushroom2: "Shamanism that is specifically rooted in the kind of experiences that are induced by psychoactive plants ... is an area that our society is extraordinarily phobic and nervous concerning, and the reason I think is not far to seek.
Because modern institutions depend on the transmission of a certain world view and then willing acquiescense in the truth of that world view by the populations into which it is being exported.
In other words a kind of cultural brainwashing is necessary for modern cultures to work at all.
The consequences of the acceptance of this situation of brainwashing is further acceleration toward catastrophe."
:mushroom2:

Terence McKenna.


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Re: A clear danger from cannabis [Re: PlatformStrange]
    #11345341 - 10/29/09 03:29 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

:strokebeard:


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Re: A clear danger from cannabis [Re: PlatformStrange]
    #11345505 - 10/29/09 03:56 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

PlatformStrange said:
:goinsane:

:awedrugs:

Cannabis got me hooked on tobacco. That seem the worst side effect in twenty years. So far...

:gum:




the lack of cannabis got me hooked on tobacco. i had to quit for PTI so i picked up cigarettes to replace it.


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Re: A clear danger from cannabis [Re: AngryPhil]
    #11345740 - 10/29/09 04:35 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Thats your own fault dude.


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Re: A clear danger from cannabis [Re: TTT]
    #11346640 - 10/29/09 06:59 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Using drugs make me more likely to go a little crazy? Probably.

Chance that I would be utterly insane by now without them? 100%.

God bless the herb.


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Re: A clear danger from cannabis [Re: Olskool420]
    #11346810 - 10/29/09 07:26 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

smoking a plant is so evil! i contribute by sticking it in my pipe and burning it!!! mwuhahahaaha!
i bind it in between a roll of paper and burn it slowly consuming this evil!!!
IN THE END IT MAKES ME FEEL GREAT!!!!


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Re: A clear danger from cannabis [Re: elementswrath]
    #11346846 - 10/29/09 07:34 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

yes we must all destroy the evil weed! BURN IT! BBBBUUUUURRRNNN ITTTTT!!


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Re: A clear danger from cannabis [Re: AngryPhil]
    #11346903 - 10/29/09 07:43 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

in europe much of the hash and pot is mixed with cig tobacco and then rolled.

don't ask me why,i thought it odd and revoltin' as a southern boy....

laotzo


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Re: A clear danger from cannabis [Re: laotzo]
    #11347834 - 10/29/09 09:53 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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in europe much of the hash and pot is mixed with cig tobacco and then rolled.




i solve that by getting whole buds before setting it on FIRE!!!


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Re: A clear danger from cannabis [Re: nexus470]
    #11349995 - 10/30/09 04:32 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

This article is mighty strange. The author acknowledges that correlation is not causation, then goes on to say that conclusive evidence of causation "has been mounting" for the past six years. I don't see much of a gray area between existence and nonexistence of proof. Such evidence that prohibitionist logic causes psychotic ideation has been mounting throughout the drug war.


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Re: A clear danger from cannabis [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #11350017 - 10/30/09 04:50 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Because a bunch of potheads know much more than professional scientists and can discount years of research by citing an area of NEWSPAPER report which was slightly vague... honestly guys grow up


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Re: A clear danger from cannabis [Re: Canberra]
    #11350069 - 10/30/09 05:24 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I think it depends on the person and how fit there mind was to begin with. It canhelp alot of people but I canbeleave itmight cause problems with sertian people. But not in my case so I'm just guessing. But u never know with docters becouse there so againts it. So I beleave it's all based on state of the indivisuLe to begin with. What u guys think bout my idea?


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