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We Need to Revert to More Arcane Punishment in the US
    #11343917 - 10/29/09 10:03 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

What deters the average person from committing crimes? A) they don't think they can get away with it and B) the punishment IF they get caught.

I feel that this country has become so lax on punishment the average citizen views prison/jail/fines to be a cake walk. Hell, an inmate gets 3 square meals a day, a roof to sleep under, TV sometimes, computer access, gym access, etc etc etc...all at tax payer expense.

In my world, sexually violent offenders would be castrated. People convicted of Graffiti/vandalism would have a finger from both hands lopped off. Violent murderers would spend lifetime in solitary without parole.

Call me inhumane, but with the prison systems the way they are (being so over populated), there is an obvious breakdown in deterrent here. People just aren't afraid of committing a crime.

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Re: We Need to Revert to More Arcane Punishment in the US [Re: Syle]
    #11343932 - 10/29/09 10:08 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I think you should go live in Saudi Arabia, sounds like you would fit in well there.

I do think you have a point, but just like many people who are upset with the current system, you go way over the top when suggesting things like the cutting off of appendages nonsense.

Having said that I would certainly consider harsher penalties for all violent crimes.


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Re: We Need to Revert to More Arcane Punishment in the US [Re: Syle]
    #11343935 - 10/29/09 10:10 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

:thumbdown:


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Re: We Need to Revert to More Arcane Punishment in the US [Re: Kada]
    #11343946 - 10/29/09 10:13 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I've been locked up on felony charges.
I assure you, there is most definitely something to cause hesitation.


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Re: We Need to Revert to More Arcane Punishment in the US [Re: calm]
    #11343959 - 10/29/09 10:19 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I've been locked up on felony charges.
I assure you, there is most definitely something to cause hesitation.




my point here, is public perception of punishment. if it was publicly/widely aware that you would start losing appendages for graffiti, or lose your right to be sexually active if you sexually/violently assault another human, i think crime rates would drop drastically.

it's all about perception. and it's widely perceived that jail/prison is a cake walk.


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Re: We Need to Revert to More Arcane Punishment in the US [Re: Syle]
    #11343963 - 10/29/09 10:20 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Cutting someone's finger off for graffiti is quite the unusual punishment I think..


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Re: We Need to Revert to More Arcane Punishment in the US [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #11343967 - 10/29/09 10:21 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Cutting someone's finger off for graffiti is quite the unusual punishment I think..




why? in the US? Sure. Throughout human history for things like vandalism? No.


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Re: We Need to Revert to More Arcane Punishment in the US [Re: Syle]
    #11343986 - 10/29/09 10:25 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Which finger would you cut off?


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Re: We Need to Revert to More Arcane Punishment in the US [Re: Sandoz]
    #11343990 - 10/29/09 10:26 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

start from the outside, work my way in.


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Re: We Need to Revert to More Arcane Punishment in the US [Re: Sandoz]
    #11344003 - 10/29/09 10:30 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

punishment never works. its "rehabilitation" that is the supposed goal of the prison systems. we need better sentences, not harsher ones.

also, boo for chopping off the fingers of graffiti artists. graffiti is art, and the places in which it is placed and the messages contained within can be highly political (i.e. banksy).  To me it seems that graffiti should be protected. although i certainly understand the trouble it causes for business owners etc. One part of me definitely thinks that graffiti should be illegal and we should have punishments for it, but on the other hand i personally value graffiti highly. i kinda like graffiti laws just how they are. its illegal, and you get a slap on the wrist for getting caught.


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Re: We Need to Revert to More Arcane Punishment in the US [Re: Syle]
    #11344010 - 10/29/09 10:33 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

to put it bluntly, the biggest reason is lack of proper mental health treatment for people, and part of that is court is very expensive, and prosecuters do treat everything like a murder case in some areas.

this is all just nonsense, it didnt change anything then to have harsh, inhumane punishments, and the deterrent for burglary, etc, is laws that allow you to shoot someone who enters your home who you dont know, etc.


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Re: We Need to Revert to More Arcane Punishment in the US [Re: Syle]
    #11344031 - 10/29/09 10:39 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i would like to see a law where if your grass is 2" to long, someone comes to your house and just stabs you right in the gut.

and for not paying your oxygen tax its strait to the gallows!


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Re: We Need to Revert to More Arcane Punishment in the US [Re: Sandoz]
    #11344041 - 10/29/09 10:41 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Sandoz said:
i would like to see a law where if your grass is 2" to long, someone comes to your house and just stabs you right in the gut.

and for not paying your oxygen tax its strait to the gallows!



I agree with these statements.


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Re: We Need to Revert to More Arcane Punishment in the US [Re: Sandoz]
    #11344056 - 10/29/09 10:47 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Sandoz said:
i would like to see a law where if your grass is 2" to long, someone comes to your house and just stabs you right in the gut.

and for not paying your oxygen tax its strait to the gallows!




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Re: We Need to Revert to More Arcane Punishment in the US [Re: Sandoz]
    #11345228 - 10/29/09 03:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Sandoz said:
i would like to see a law where if your grass is 2" to long, someone comes to your house and just stabs you right in the gut.

and for not paying your oxygen tax its strait to the gallows!




sure, blow this totally out of proportion to try to make it look ridiculous...

graffiti is not art. it's destruction of private property. also, not sure how much graffiti you all are witness to, but rarely are any political/moral points scored, because 90% of the time you can't even read what it says...so wtf is the point besides increasing the ego of the person perpetrating the crime?

employed/allowed graffiti IS art. gorilla graffiti is not.


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Re: We Need to Revert to More Arcane Punishment in the US [Re: Syle]
    #11345342 - 10/29/09 03:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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People convicted of Graffiti/vandalism would have a finger from both hands lopped off.





Graffiti/vandalism should be encouraged.  It is one of the only pure art forms left.


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Re: We Need to Revert to More Arcane Punishment in the US [Re: Syle]
    #11345347 - 10/29/09 03:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

there are some violent sexual offenders that are castrated and fed estrogen pills on a daily regimen for the rest of their lives


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Re: We Need to Revert to More Arcane Punishment in the US [Re: dkamp18]
    #11345597 - 10/29/09 04:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The USA has the worst person system of the "industrialized nations " (Russia's pretty bad too)

Hell half of them now are run for profit. Not to mention in most countries they focuses on rehabbing said criminal instead of just punishment.

We have the second largest prison population in the world..
Most being non violent drug offenders.

While the average rapist get maybe 6 years.
A man who kills his wife when there a history of violence is less then 10. When women kill there abusive husbands average is 15 years +

Also its been proven time and time again that when a person goes to prison for an extended period of time they are much more likely just to commit more crimes.

Also there is the whole social economical factor behind "crime"
Just :thumbdown: man


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Re: We Need to Revert to More Arcane Punishment in the US [Re: Syle]
    #11345609 - 10/29/09 04:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Syle said:
What deters the average person from committing crimes? A) they don't think they can get away with it and B) the punishment IF they get caught.

I feel that this country has become so lax on punishment the average citizen views prison/jail/fines to be a cake walk. Hell, an inmate gets 3 square meals a day, a roof to sleep under, TV sometimes, computer access, gym access, etc etc etc...all at tax payer expense.

In my world, sexually violent offenders would be castrated. People convicted of Graffiti/vandalism would have a finger from both hands lopped off. Violent murderers would spend lifetime in solitary without parole.

Call me inhumane, but with the prison systems the way they are (being so over populated), there is an obvious breakdown in deterrent here. People just aren't afraid of committing a crime.

Gals and guys of the shroom, what say you?





I think you're sick.  And you forgot C)Because it's wrong.

We have a ban on cruel and unusual punishment in the US for a reason.


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Re: We Need to Revert to More Arcane Punishment in the US [Re: esyflyr]
    #11345647 - 10/29/09 04:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

this is coming from someone on a drug forum... yes, let's have you get caught and tortured for getting intoxicated.


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