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Am I reading this correctly?
    #11342131 - 10/29/09 12:01 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Merry Prankster Ken Kesey, author of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, volunteered for MK-ULTRA experiments while he was a student at Stanford University. Kesey's ingestion of LSD during these experiments led directly to his widespread promotion of the drug and the subsequent development of hippie culture.


from the wiki article on MK-ULTRA

Does that mean the CIA inadvertently started the hippie movement?


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Re: Am I reading this correctly? [Re: learningtofly]
    #11342143 - 10/29/09 12:02 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

This is nothing new. It's definitely arguable that the hippy movement was accidentally triggered by the military fucking around with chemicals.


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Re: Am I reading this correctly? [Re: learningtofly]
    #11342171 - 10/29/09 12:06 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I've read a few things that put forth that very conclusion.


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Re: Am I reading this correctly? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #11342206 - 10/29/09 12:10 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Perhaps they did it on purpose.


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Re: Am I reading this correctly? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #11342211 - 10/29/09 12:10 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

irony.


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Re: Am I reading this correctly? [Re: learningtofly]
    #11342268 - 10/29/09 12:17 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

The CIA's introduction of acid was a contributing catalyst, but it really can't be said they started it due to the multitude of other factors that sparked the movement.


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Re: Am I reading this correctly? [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #11342279 - 10/29/09 12:18 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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MisterMuscaria said:
Perhaps they did it on purpose.




I've heard this proposed before. I don't see how it would be plausible though.


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Re: Am I reading this correctly? [Re: Wapakz]
    #11342314 - 10/29/09 12:24 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Yah why would they say "yo lets start this movement" and then "yo, lets crush this movement that we started"

just don't start it in the first place


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Re: Am I reading this correctly? [Re: learningtofly]
    #11342347 - 10/29/09 12:27 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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learningtofly said:
Yah why would they say "yo lets start this movement" and then "yo, lets crush this movement that we started"

just don't start it in the first place




I think we've all had a great idea that turned out not to be as great as we thought.

I don't think the military or government started the hippie movement- but it makes more sense than some of the other weird theories on this site.


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Re: Am I reading this correctly? [Re: Doc_T]
    #11342372 - 10/29/09 12:31 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I think that the experiments came at just the right time to kick things off and was just one of many causes for the movement.
Kind of like when everything is right and you give a little FAE and a little light and BAM!:mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2:


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Re: Am I reading this correctly? [Re: Doc_T]
    #11342425 - 10/29/09 12:41 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Doc_T said:
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learningtofly said:
Yah why would they say "yo lets start this movement" and then "yo, lets crush this movement that we started"

just don't start it in the first place




I think we've all had a great idea that turned out not to be as great as we thought.

I don't think the military or government started the hippie movement- but it makes more sense than some of the other weird theories on this site.




I heard the theory that Project MKULTRA substance LSD was finally released and distributed to people around 1961 by the CIA in order to sabotage President Kennedy's democratic presidency and usher in republicans through the guise of harsher drug penalties. Seems kind of fishy, but interesting.

I don't think (during the cold war no less) such treason in the CIA would occur without the president knowing. In those days military chain of command was TIGHT. One of my favorite conspiracies ever this one, as it also ties into the assassination of JFK. But I'm by no means a tin foil hatter, except the Kennedy assassination *some shit has gone down that was highly questionable*.


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Re: Am I reading this correctly? [Re: Wapakz]
    #11342469 - 10/29/09 12:48 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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But I'm by no means a tin foil hatter, except the Kennedy assassination




Boris Yeltsin said (after the fall of the Soviet Union) that the official KGB opinion had been that it was wealthy US oil interests who wanted the war to continue.
Not the 'party line', that was the answer their investigation had come to.
:shrug: Could be.


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Re: Am I reading this correctly? [Re: Doc_T]
    #11342800 - 10/29/09 01:37 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Doc_T said:
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Wapakz said:
But I'm by no means a tin foil hatter, except the Kennedy assassination




Boris Yeltsin said (after the fall of the Soviet Union) that the official KGB opinion had been that it was wealthy US oil interests who wanted the war to continue.
Not the 'party line', that was the answer their investigation had come to.
:shrug: Could be.




That sounds more likely. To be honest, I have no idea. I'm not an American so I'm kind of grasping at straws. I shall consult my local bookstore on this issue further (in due time).


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