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The 'Mirror Neuron' Theory
    #11340836 - 10/28/09 08:37 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

From: Mirror neuron - Wikipedia
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A mirror neuron is a neuron that fires both when an animal acts and when the animal observes the same action performed by another. Thus, the neuron "mirrors" the behavior of the other, as though the observer were itself acting. Such neurons have been directly observed in primates, and are believed to occur in humans and other species including birds. In humans, brain activity consistent with that of mirror neurons has been found in the premotor cortex and the inferior parietal cortex.

Some scientists consider mirror neurons one of the most important recent discoveries in neuroscience. Among them is V.S. Ramachandran, who believes they might be very important in imitation and language acquisition. However, despite the popularity of this field, to date no widely accepted neural or computational models have been put forward to describe how mirror neuron activity supports cognitive functions such as imitation.

The function of the mirror system is a subject of much speculation. Many researchers in cognitive neuroscience and cognitive psychology consider that this system provides the physiological mechanism for the perception action coupling (see the common coding theory). These mirror neurons may be important for understanding the actions of other people, and for learning new skills by imitation. Some researchers also speculate that mirror systems may simulate observed actions, and thus contribute to theory of mind skills, while others relate mirror neurons to language abilities. It has also been proposed that problems with the mirror system may underlie cognitive disorders, particularly autism. However the connection between mirror neuron dysfunction and autism remains speculative and it is unlikely that mirror neurons are related to many of the important characteristics of autism.






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Re: The 'Mirror Neuron' Theory [Re: Poid]
    #11340870 - 10/28/09 08:42 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Interesting, my neuroscience professor does autism research, maybe this will come up in class soon.


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Re: The 'Mirror Neuron' Theory [Re: kydelic]
    #11340897 - 10/28/09 08:46 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

It's a relatively new theory; I read it in Scientific American, I think, and the tone of the article made it seem like it's some sort of breakthrough in scientific discovery. Personally, it doesn't seem like too much of a big deal to me. :shrug:


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Re: The 'Mirror Neuron' Theory [Re: Poid]
    #11341077 - 10/28/09 09:17 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

interesting :thumbup: more goods to bring on the wonder.


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Re: The 'Mirror Neuron' Theory [Re: deranger]
    #11341085 - 10/28/09 09:19 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Yup! :robblerobble:


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Re: The 'Mirror Neuron' Theory [Re: Poid]
    #11341361 - 10/28/09 10:01 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

So the ultimate learning strategy is, fake it until you make it?


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Re: The 'Mirror Neuron' Theory [Re: Diaboleros]
    #11341424 - 10/28/09 10:09 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Or it makes you, against your "free will", I guess! :rofl2:


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Re: The 'Mirror Neuron' Theory [Re: Poid]
    #11341944 - 10/28/09 11:35 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: The 'Mirror Neuron' Theory [Re: deranger]
    #11342000 - 10/28/09 11:44 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

knowing that mirror neurons exist and nothing more ... it isn't exactly a lot of explanation.

i do not think it's surprising that they exist


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Re: The 'Mirror Neuron' Theory [Re: Poid]
    #11342080 - 10/28/09 11:56 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I've experienced this firsthand. I'm glad I now know the scientific explanation to it.


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Re: The 'Mirror Neuron' Theory [Re: meatcakeman]
    #11342132 - 10/29/09 12:01 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

you've experienced that some of your neurons which fire when you wave your hand also fire when you see someone else wave their hand?


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Re: The 'Mirror Neuron' Theory [Re: laserpig]
    #11342155 - 10/29/09 12:04 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

nobody said it was a lot of an explanation.


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Re: The 'Mirror Neuron' Theory [Re: deranger]
    #11342178 - 10/29/09 12:07 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

true
i'm just sayin' that since they don't explain anything, and and since it's not surprising that they exist, i don't think they're very interesting


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Re: The 'Mirror Neuron' Theory [Re: laserpig]
    #11342201 - 10/29/09 12:09 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

simple things interest me, what can i say


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Re: The 'Mirror Neuron' Theory [Re: laserpig]
    #11342232 - 10/29/09 12:13 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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laserpig said:
you've experienced that some of your neurons which fire when you wave your hand also fire when you see someone else wave their hand?





No.

But when I remember certain situations in my head I'll feel the same emotions I felt when I was experiencing the real event. This also holds true when I see something occur, almost like deja vu, that is congruent with some sort of past event in my life that had an emotional connotation to it.

Example:

I'll picture past incidents when I embarrassed myself in front of a whole class and begin to feel the same rush of embarrassment I did when that situation actually occurred.

Another Example:

I'll watch my friend deliberately and blatantly lie to my other friend, but my other friend is too ignorant to perceive this reality. When doing so, I might feel how I did when I lied to someone else, or was lied to.


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Re: The 'Mirror Neuron' Theory [Re: meatcakeman]
    #11342293 - 10/29/09 12:21 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

so you're thinking mirror neurons could be part of a causal explanation for empathy?

that's actually pretty cool


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Re: The 'Mirror Neuron' Theory [Re: laserpig]
    #11342394 - 10/29/09 12:35 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

To a certain degree, yes, I do believe there is a relationship between the two.

I'm sure mirror neurons go beyond that, too. I'm just relating my take on it to you guys.


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Re: The 'Mirror Neuron' Theory [Re: meatcakeman]
    #11343086 - 10/29/09 02:42 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I think mirror neurons are neurons that represent what is being done.. it doesnt matter if you are doing it or if someone else is doing it.. it is like neurons for 'red'.. .they light up whether the red is anywhere in the scene. The special thing about mirror neurons is that they connect directly to actions. Thus they are a direct connection between actions in the motor cortex and perceived actions in the parietal cortex. It is silly, simple stuff. the reason its considered significant by neuroscientists is caus theyre actually, on the whole, hopeless.

You see, scientists these days are astonished when new things pop up that cant be classified with existing systems.

when it is in fact foolish to ever think your system has accounted for everything.

these mirror neurons are only strange because of various philosophical tendencies of the neuroscientists in assuming that certain neurons would fire for other people's actions, and others for our own actions, and that any connection between these would be mediated by even more neurons that would only light up when you were trying to imitate someone, or something.

But rather, it seems that the brain is always calculating the necesasry information for a range of tasks, and so this middle connection between observed actions and our own performance of them.. it lights up whenever either occurs. However the strength of the signal would no doubt be stronger when actual imitation is occuring?


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Re: The 'Mirror Neuron' Theory [Re: Noteworthy]
    #11343549 - 10/29/09 06:33 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I think the whole theory is a construct to miminize our respect of "lower" animals.

the whole brain is the mirror system
the whole brain operates as an associative processor
simmilarity in events causes recall, and recall causes reactions
I am not surprised at all that amimals have much or our cognitive ability especially the basics of associative processing.

I seriously doubt that any mirror neuron will be discovered.

association is the domain/function of the whole brain.


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Re: The 'Mirror Neuron' Theory [Re: redgreenvines]
    #11343621 - 10/29/09 07:48 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

yes It really does seem like these 'mirror neurons' are just like any other neuron - the only reason they are considered any different is because...?


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