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Are we all 100% completely selfish?
    #11338190 - 10/28/09 02:35 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Are we all 100% completely selfish?
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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Are we all 100% completely selfish? [Re: Poid]
    #11338215 - 10/28/09 02:38 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

No, but non-egoism seems like a contradiction, though the ego can idealize its destruction asa  cog for a greater power.

If we are 100% selfish then why have people died for other people? Why have soldiers, on a whim, jumped on grenades?


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Re: Are we all 100% completely selfish? [Re: andrewss]
    #11338219 - 10/28/09 02:39 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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If we are 100% selfish then why have people died for other people? Why have soldiers, on a whim, jumped on grenades?


So you believe in altruism? :strokebeard:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Are we all 100% completely selfish? [Re: Poid]
    #11338220 - 10/28/09 02:39 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I had shellfish for lunch! Yum.


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Re: Are we all 100% completely selfish? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11338237 - 10/28/09 02:41 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

If we were 100% completely selfLESS then we would never care for ourselves.


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Re: Are we all 100% completely selfish? [Re: Poid]
    #11338238 - 10/28/09 02:41 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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andrewss said:
If we are 100% selfish then why have people died for other people? Why have soldiers, on a whim, jumped on grenades?


So you believe in altruism? :strokebeard:




One can believe in altruism? Altrusim exists, is it THE ideal... dunno bout that....


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Re: Are we all 100% completely selfish? [Re: Poid]
    #11338275 - 10/28/09 02:46 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

i am 99.9999328% selfish.


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Re: Are we all 100% completely selfish? [Re: Poid]
    #11338281 - 10/28/09 02:48 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Yes

Living with the ego, everything is about self, this particular body

Living without the ego, its still all about Self, just the real Self that is in all the bodies...

So rather than living in service to the individual self
Your living in service to your universal Self

It is still selfishness, just a truer selfishness :lol:
Ego selfishness is ugly, universal selfishness is beautiful


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Re: Are we all 100% completely selfish? [Re: Poid]
    #11338326 - 10/28/09 02:54 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

if we were all 100% selfish, nobody would care for another
you can't tell me nobody cares for anybody.
sure it's been debated that ultimately it does serve our best interest whether we care for someone or not.  but i don't think that has to do with the actual definition of selfishness.


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Re: Are we all 100% completely selfish? [Re: deranger]
    #11338366 - 10/28/09 02:59 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

the only reason people care for others is cause they share their pain
we can share it as deep down we are one Self

so even if your in service to 'others' you are still in service to your one Self
so selfishness is unavoidable
egoic selfisheness is destroyable...

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Re: Are we all 100% completely selfish? [Re: Chronic7]
    #11338406 - 10/28/09 03:06 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

is the dictionary using that definition of self in it's definition of selfishness?


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Re: Are we all 100% completely selfish? [Re: deranger]
    #11338504 - 10/28/09 03:20 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

probably not :shrug:

my point is even altruism, selfless action, is still the Self in service to Self
its totally different from egoic selfishness though, which is probably what the dictionaries reference is

the paradox is that if you focus on your Self 100%
literally focus consciousness only on Self, your ego will be destroyed & all the altruism will come

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Re: Are we all 100% completely selfish? [Re: Chronic7]
    #11338595 - 10/28/09 03:33 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Is there such things as a truly altruistic action?


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Re: Are we all 100% completely selfish? [Re: Poid]
    #11338614 - 10/28/09 03:37 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I certainly am.

Most people however are not.


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Re: Are we all 100% completely selfish? [Re: Chronic7]
    #11338630 - 10/28/09 03:38 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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probably not :shrug:

my point is even altruism, selfless action, is still the Self in service to Self
its totally different from egoic selfishness though, which is probably what the dictionaries reference is

the paradox is that if you focus on your Self 100%
literally focus consciousness only on Self, your ego will be destroyed & all the altruism will come

:peace:




i see your point, but if Poid is going to ask a question we best not be redefining terms if we don't want a confused thread.


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Re: Are we all 100% completely selfish? [Re: deranger]
    #11338644 - 10/28/09 03:41 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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if we were all 100% selfish, nobody would care for another
you can't tell me nobody cares for anybody.
sure it's been debated that ultimately it does serve our best interest whether we care for someone or not.  but i don't think that has to do with the actual definition of selfishness.





I call bullshit on this. If you were 100% selfish you would protect your values and never sacrifice them becuase they are what bring you happiness in life. This obviously means that you care deeply for those you value. Selfishness does not imply sacrifice of any kind, in fact it implies the opposite. Now an altruist can never care for another becuase he sacrifices his values at every opportunity. It is the standard of his morality to do so. If he cares it means there is a trace of selfishness. If you hold altruism as the standard then you admit that happiness is not your central purpose as you are a total slave to the whims of others.

The question that no altruists asks is this. If the good in life is to sacrifice ones values to others, then what of the morality of those who receive those values? Are they not evil for receiving those values? Should they not in turn sacrifice those values until everyone has nothing, as that is the standard of the good?

If you truly believe in altruism ask yourself these honest questions and envision what kind of world following that creed would create.


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Re: Are we all 100% completely selfish? [Re: Poid]
    #11338692 - 10/28/09 03:47 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Good Question.  I don't like to think we're 100% selfish... but it could be argued like this:

Statement: We are 100% selfish

Rebuttal:  We are not 100% selfish because of charity, or 'good deeds'

Counter:  Charity and Good deeds are done to make one feel better about themselves and thus, it is selfish.


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Re: Are we all 100% completely selfish? [Re: RationalEgo]
    #11338734 - 10/28/09 03:52 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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I call bullshit on this. If you were 100% selfish you would protect your values and never sacrifice them becuase they are what bring you happiness in life.  This obviously means that you care deeply for those you value.




self·ish    (sěl'fĭsh) 
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      Concerned chiefly or only with oneself:



if this did mean concerned with only oneself and one's values, one could care for another, making the definition of selfishness contradictory imo.


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Re: Are we all 100% completely selfish? [Re: deranger]
    #11338773 - 10/28/09 03:58 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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I call bullshit on this. If you were 100% selfish you would protect your values and never sacrifice them becuase they are what bring you happiness in life.  This obviously means that you care deeply for those you value.




self�ish    (sěl'fĭsh) 
adj. 

  1.

      Concerned chiefly or only with oneself:



if this did mean concerned with only oneself and one's values, one could care for another, making the definition of selfishness contradictory imo.




Chiefly concerned with oneself implies that ones central purpose is ones own happiness, which of course includes all of ones values. Caring for others whom one values increases ones happiness. There is no contradiction in this.


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Re: Are we all 100% completely selfish? [Re: RationalEgo]
    #11338801 - 10/28/09 04:00 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

when does the only come into play?  when selfishness has reached 100%?


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