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OfflineShroomalicious
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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: ]
    #1133530 - 12/11/02 08:24 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

So tell me, how is ol' Aristotle anyway?

Sorry, there is just some joke here or something that I am just not bright enough to get. Please tell me what you meant.


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #1133581 - 12/11/02 08:51 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

What I meant in a humorous way was that you couldn't have possibly read Aristotle or you wouldn't think the way you do.


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OfflineShroomalicious
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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: ]
    #1133703 - 12/11/02 10:38 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Although I am by no means well versed in his teachings, I have read some of his stuff and while he is obviously amazing he isn't one of my favorite thinkers and I disagree with some of his philosophies. I tend to side with other great thinkers.


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #1133711 - 12/11/02 10:44 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I see. It's funny I hear that a lot but when I press for an explanation of what exactly Aristotle taught very few actually know.

Most of the time those that disagree simply haven't read Aristotle well enough to understand him.

Was it his ethics or his metaphysics that you had a problem with?


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #1133714 - 12/11/02 10:47 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I think the thing about homophobes is that when they think of a gay guy, they think of that guy having sex with another guy, and that disgusts them. Boy George once said that the problem with admitting you're gay is that then people only think of you by what you do in the bedroom. I think that's true. People get that picture in their head, and they don't want to think about that, so they take it out on that person, when it's their own imagination they have to blame. Why is two gay lovers holding hands or hugging gross? People only think it's gross because it makes them think about the two of them in bed together.


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OfflineShroomalicious
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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: ]
    #1134323 - 12/12/02 06:36 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Was it his ethics or his metaphysics that you had a problem with?

I didn't agree with SOME of his conclusions about what was ethical. To me, it all sounded good and well explained, but I think he neglected to mention other point of views, or at least didn't mention other points of view TRUE to their points. His metaphysics were over my head. I feel like I understood them but not well enough to disagree, I can't really beat that, ya know? Whereas with ethics, I think everyone with a Mind and Spirit is on even playing field.


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Edited by Shroomalicious (12/12/02 06:41 AM)


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OfflineShroomalicious
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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: silversoul7]
    #1134325 - 12/12/02 06:37 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I really agree with your post SilverSurfer.


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: silversoul7]
    #1134416 - 12/12/02 07:07 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Now, I agree with you completely, but, I don't think that there's any good reason for them to be disgusted by the idea of two men having sex.

The disgust is just hammered in their by their upbringing. That disgust is less natural than gay sex.


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: Phluck]
    #1134432 - 12/12/02 07:10 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I am disgusted by anal sex, it has nothing to do with somebody being a man or a woman, it has to do with smell, the shit and the increased risk of infection.


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: Phluck]
    #1135114 - 12/12/02 11:48 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

You know, it's interesting. I was watching this program on the History Channel about ancient Rome, and they were saying that the Romans didn't have a concept of homosexuality as we have it today, since it was common for men to have sex with both their male and female slaves. It wasn't seen as a matter of attraction because slaves were considered property, and the Roman noblemen were just using their property. Also, in ancient Sparta, a young boy would be partnered with a full-grown solder as part of his military training. They would become very close, and many have speculated that their relationship was not only functional, but also sexual.


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: silversoul7]
    #1135316 - 12/12/02 12:39 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

regarding your previous post..

interesting point... I wonder if there are many gay couples that abstain from sex?


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OfflineShroomalicious
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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: ]
    #1137046 - 12/13/02 01:17 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

By the way that would be my attempt at humour. Sorry, guess I should have warned you.

As my brother once said while stoned - "Metaphysics? I was never good at math..."


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: Swami]
    #1147274 - 12/16/02 11:36 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Swami, I am still awaiting your thoughts in response to my questions. I doubt they left you speachless. :wink: 


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: Evolving]
    #1148084 - 12/17/02 08:22 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

There's a very large number of gay men who are disgusted by, and abstain from anal sex.

I heard somewhere that only about 50% actually have anal sex... but I have no idea whether that's true.


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: Phluck]
    #1148096 - 12/17/02 08:27 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

If there is anything that people lie about it's sex. I think statistics on sexual practices would be very hard to prove.

"I won't come in your mouth."

The joke 'lie' told by many a man.


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: ]
    #1148245 - 12/17/02 09:16 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

"I won't come in your mouth."

Just exactly how many men have told you that before you stopped falling for it?


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: Swami]
    #1148289 - 12/17/02 09:36 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

:grin: :grin: :grin:

"If there is anything that people lie about it's sex."

Whatever I said at this point would have to be taken with a grain of salt, now wouldn't it?

I will say that in certain situations once is enough. :wink:


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