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Fucking God damn Iran
    #11335994 - 10/28/09 02:32 AM (8 years, 28 days ago)

Im really sick of these people when are we going to replace leadership...


"Get AOL News Alerts » Video of Detained US Hikers ReleasedBy MICHELLE LOCKE, AP
posted: 9 HOURS 50 MINUTES AGOcomments: 495filed under: Iran, World NewsPRINT|E-MAILMOREText SizeAAABERKELEY, Calif. (Oct. 27) -- The families of three Americans being held in Iran released some video footage that they say proves the three were simply on vacation and had no underhand intentions when they strayed across the border.
Shane Bauer, 27, Sarah Shourd, 31, and Josh Fattal, 27, have been detained since July 31. They apparently crossed into Iran by accident while hiking in a scenic area in northern Iraq. They have been visited by Swiss diplomats, who oversee U.S. interests in Iran, but have had no contact with their families.
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Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said last week that investigators are still questioning the three and that their fate rests with judicial authorities.
Mottaki gave no other details. But his comments suggested that formal charges could still be possible against the Americans, although Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said in an interview with The Associated Press last month that he could ask the judiciary to "take a look at the case with maximum leniency."
One of the videos, released Tuesday on YouTube, shows Fattal performing an impromptu rap song — "Yo, it's hot/It's 'cos I'm in Iraq." — against a backdrop of the city of Irbil in Iraq. A second video shows Fattal, Bauer and Shourd dancing in an unfinished cinder block building.
"These kids were on vacation. They were just traveling; they were having a good time," Nora Shourd, Shourd's mother, said in a phone interview Monday.
"It's obvious they're on vacation. This makes it real clear that they were there having fun," said Bauer's mother, Cindy Hickey, who lives in eastern Minnesota. "This is a carefree attitude and not an attitude of someone that was meaning to do harm."
Laura Fattal said the videos showed her son looking well and fit — "on top of his game."
But it was hearing his voice that really affected her.
"It took me aback," Fattal said. "I said, 'That's really Josh. And I really haven't heard from him.' When you hear a voice, that pulls at your heartstrings."
As for his rapping ability, Fattal said, "Of course I think he's adorable."
More importantly, she said, the two videos show "the harmless nature of all three of them."
Fattal, who lives in the Philadelphia suburb of Elkins Park, said she and the other two mothers traveled to the United Nations Iranian mission in New York on Oct. 15 to deliver a petition signed by more than 2,500 people asking that the hikers be released.
Iranian authorities have had nearly three months to question the hikers, Fattal said, and "I can't imagine what else they're expecting to hear."
The videos were made two days before the hikers were detained. They were shot by Shon Meckfessel, a fourth American on the trip who did not go hiking with the others because he was feeling ill.
Shourd, Bauer and Fattal are friends who all graduated from the University of California, Berkeley. Bauer had been living in Damascus, Syria, with Shourd, his girlfriend. Fattal went to visit them after traveling overseas on a teaching fellowship with the International Honors Program.
Watching the videos has been bittersweet, Hickey said. "It was kind of fun to see that they were having fun and they were being kids. "But it also made me really wonder why they're still being held. It made me miss Shane even more."
Nora Shourd, who lives in Oakland, said she's watched the videos "50 times already."
"It's wonderful to see them. It's wonderful to see Sarah dancing, and they're really having a good time," she said. "But then I feel the opposite, which is — Why in the world are they sitting in a jail in Iran?"
Associated Press Writer Kathy Matheson in Philadelphia contributed to this story.
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2009-10-27 08:13:01"

Watch the vid i tried to get it but it's on aol.com here http://news.aol.com/article/families-of-hikers-held-in-iran-release/692151

Sorry abou that had little time


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Re: Fucking God damn Iran [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #11336067 - 10/28/09 02:54 AM (8 years, 28 days ago)

Your point?


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Re: Fucking God damn Iran [Re: meatcakeman]
    #11336072 - 10/28/09 02:56 AM (8 years, 28 days ago)

at what point do we consider military action, after the history we have with this country


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Re: Fucking God damn Iran [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #11336168 - 10/28/09 03:33 AM (8 years, 28 days ago)

only if they become an imminent threat to the US (the actual country..not oil companies)...fuck israel...


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Re: Fucking God damn Iran [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #11336173 - 10/28/09 03:37 AM (8 years, 28 days ago)

Consider This:


If you were an Iranian citizen, would you still condone U.S. military action?
If you were a third-person citizen of any other country in the world besides Iran and the U.S., would you still condone U.S. military action?


Also, keep in mind what the U.S. has done in terms of terrorizing other countries and invading these helpless countries by means of the military, the economy, and the media.

Let's look at the facts about U.S. military policies and actions relating to the Iraq War.


FACTS:

U.S. SPENDING IN IRAQ

Spent & Approved War-Spending - About $800 billion of US taxpayers' funds spent or approved for spending through mid-2009, including $76 billion requested by President Obama and approved by Congress.

U.S. 2009 Monthly Spending in Iraq - $7.3 billion as of Oct 2009

U.S. 2008 Monthly Spending in Iraq - $12 billion

U.S. Spending per Second - $5,000 in 2008 (per Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid on May 5, 2008)

Cost of deploying one U.S. soldier for one year in Iraq - $390,000 (Congressional Research Service)

Lost & Unaccounted for in Iraq - $9 billion of US taxpayers' money and $549.7 milion in spare parts shipped in 2004 to US contractors. Also, per ABC News, 190,000 guns, including 110,000 AK-47 rifles.

Missing - $1 billion in tractor trailers, tank recovery vehicles, machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades and other equipment and services provided to the Iraqi security forces. (Per CBS News on Dec 6, 2007.)

Mismanaged & Wasted in Iraq - $10 billion, per Feb 2007 Congressional hearings

Halliburton Overcharges Classified by the Pentagon as Unreasonable and Unsupported - $1.4 billion

Amount paid to KBR, a former Halliburton division, to supply U.S. military in Iraq with food, fuel, housing and other items - $20 billion

Portion of the $20 billion paid to KBR that Pentagon auditors deem "questionable or supportable" - $3.2 billion

Number of major U.S. bases in Iraq - 75 (The Nation/New York Times)

TROOPS IN IRAQ

Troops in Iraq - Total 124,000 U.S. troops as of September 30, 2009. All other nations have withdrawn their troops.

U.S. Troop Casualties - 4,352 US troops; 98% male. 91% non-officers; 82% active duty, 11% National Guard; 74% Caucasian, 9% African-American, 11% Latino. 19% killed by non-hostile causes. 54% of US casualties were under 25 years old. 72% were from the US Army

Non-U.S. Troop Casualties - Total 316, with 179 from the UK

US Troops Wounded - 31,529 through September 30, 2009, 20% of which are serious brain or spinal injuries. (Total excludes psychological injuries.)

US Troops with Serious Mental Health Problems - 30% of US troops develop serious mental health problems within 3 to 4 months of returning home

US Military Helicopters Downed in Iraq - 72 total, at least 36 by enemy fire

IRAQI TROOPS, CIVILIANS & OTHERS IN IRAQ

Private Contractors in Iraq, Working in Support of US Army Troops - More than 180,000 in August 2007, per The Nation/LA Times.

Journalists killed - 139, 93 by murder and 46 by acts of war

Journalists killed by US Forces - 14

Iraqi Police and Soldiers Killed - 9,278

Iraqi Civilians Killed, Estimated - A UN issued report dated Sept 20, 2006 stating that Iraqi civilian casualties have been significantly under-reported. Casualties are reported at 50,000 to over 100,000, but may be much higher. Some informed estimates place Iraqi civilian casualities at over 600,000.

Iraqi Insurgents Killed, Roughly Estimated - 55,000

Non-Iraqi Contractors and Civilian Workers Killed - 569

Non-Iraqi Kidnapped - 306, including 57 killed, 147 released, 4 escaped, 6 rescued and 89 status unknown.

Daily Insurgent Attacks, Feb 2004 - 14

Daily Insurgent Attacks, July 2005 - 70

Daily Insurgent Attacks, May 2007 - 163

Estimated Insurgency Strength, Nov 2003 - 15,000

Estimated Insurgency Strength, Oct 2006 - 20,000 - 30,000

Estimated Insurgency Strength, June 2007 - 70,000

QUALITY OF LIFE INDICATORS

Iraqis Displaced Inside Iraq, by Iraq War, as of May 2007 - 2,255,000

Iraqi Refugees in Syria & Jordan - 2.1 million to 2.25 million

Iraqi Unemployment Rate - 27 to 60%, where curfew not in effect

Consumer Price Inflation in 2006 - 50%

Iraqi Children Suffering from Chronic Malnutrition - 28% in June 2007 (Per CNN.com, July 30, 2007)

Percent of professionals who have left Iraq since 2003 - 40%

Iraqi Physicians Before 2003 Invasion - 34,000

Iraqi Physicians Who Have Left Iraq Since 2005 Invasion - 12,000

Iraqi Physicians Murdered Since 2003 Invasion - 2,000

Average Daily Hours Iraqi Homes Have Electricity - 1 to 2 hours, per Ryan Crocker, U.S. Ambassador to Iraq (Per Los Angeles Times, July 27, 2007)

Average Daily Hours Iraqi Homes Have Electricity - 10.9 in May 2007

Average Daily Hours Baghdad Homes Have Electricity - 5.6 in May 2007

Pre-War Daily Hours Baghdad Homes Have Electricity - 16 to 24

Number of Iraqi Homes Connected to Sewer Systems - 37%

Iraqis without access to adequate water supplies - 70% (Per CNN.com, July 30, 2007)

Water Treatment Plants Rehabilitated - 22%

RESULTS OF POLL Taken in Iraq in August 2005 by the British Ministry of Defense (Source: Brookings Institute)

Iraqis "strongly opposed to presence of coalition troops - 82%

Iraqis who believe Coalition forces are responsible for any improvement in security - less than 1%

Iraqis who feel less secure because of the occupation - 67%

Iraqis who do not have confidence in multi-national forces - 72%


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Re: Fucking God damn Iran [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #11336687 - 10/28/09 08:43 AM (8 years, 28 days ago)

Iran is not a threat to the US and should not be attacked.


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Re: Fucking God damn Iran [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #11336693 - 10/28/09 08:47 AM (8 years, 28 days ago)

I would be in favor of military action to prevent people from cutting and pasting an entire page if they don't delete the non-relevant bits.

If not military action, then at least a public stoning.


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Re: Fucking God damn Iran [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #11336880 - 10/28/09 10:20 AM (8 years, 28 days ago)

With sodomy.  This cracked me up:

Quote:

meatcakeman said

invading these helpless countries by means of the military, the economy, and the media.





Now I can see that military invasion is an invasion but the other two?  Spare me.  And we owe those cunts in the Iranian government a severe ass-kicking for their invasion of OUR country in 1980.  That's right.  They invaded our country and the feckless cunt Carter did nothing.


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Re: Fucking God damn Iran [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11338983 - 10/28/09 04:27 PM (8 years, 27 days ago)

America: mind your own fucking buisness!  dont let the Israelites dictate your foreign policy you whores.

don't let them drag you down with them.


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Re: Fucking God damn Iran [Re: Shins]
    #11339058 - 10/28/09 04:34 PM (8 years, 27 days ago)

Quote:

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America: mind your own fucking buisness!  dont let the Israelites dictate your foreign policy you whores.

don't let them drag you down with them.




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Re: Fucking God damn Iran [Re: Shins]
    #11339319 - 10/28/09 05:05 PM (8 years, 27 days ago)

Quote:

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America: mind your own fucking buisness!  dont let the Israelites dictate your foreign policy you whores.

don't let them drag you down with them.



And who determines what is our business?  Not you.


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Re: Fucking God damn Iran [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11339938 - 10/28/09 06:25 PM (8 years, 27 days ago)

dude, three Americans are being held against there will for suspected spying fuck that this has nothing to do with with Israel, with the tensions between Iran's nuclear arms and all the history we have with Iran leading up to now the last thing the bastards need to be doing is kidnapping our people, and i don't give a fuck if they walk a few miles over the border there mission likes ours should be to deport! and not only that what terroistic threat do three Americans pose to the Iranians non what so ever! so this situation can not be recreated by supposing if three Iranians crossed our borders.. because there country clearly harbors and aids terrorist openly, also has an illegitimate regime, also is clearly pursuing nuclear power and taking our fucking people! we at least need to put political pressure to get our people home!


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Re: Fucking God damn Iran [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #11340255 - 10/28/09 07:06 PM (8 years, 27 days ago)

Quote:

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dude, three Americans are being held against there will for suspected spying fuck that this has nothing to do with with Israel, with the tensions between Iran's nuclear arms and all the history we have with Iran leading up to now the last thing the bastards need to be doing is kidnapping our people, and i don't give a fuck if they walk a few miles over the border there mission likes ours should be to deport! and not only that what terroistic threat do three Americans pose to the Iranians non what so ever! so this situation can not be recreated by supposing if three Iranians crossed our borders.. because there country clearly harbors and aids terrorist openly, also has an illegitimate regime, also is clearly pursuing nuclear power and taking our fucking people! we at least need to put political pressure to get our people home!





Yes, our Americans should be sent home safely and immediately. And indeed they will. If Iran were to touch them, America would send troops in a blink of an eye. And Iran knows this. Iran, like N. Korea, just wants to stir some shit up a bit. And I condone this. I don't like a world stage with America calling shots. That's fucking retarded and only benefits America. Iran wants itself to be known on the world stage. It wants to be respected, and listened to. Thus, if they were to have certain weapons of mass destruction, I could care less. We spend millions to build our own, why can't they have nuclear weapons, too?

And if America didn't give two shits about them, Iran wouldn't get their voice heard by the global public. We don't hear about Indonesia, and they harbor terrorists. What about Saudi Arabia? They excessively spread Islamic propaganda, openly condoning acts of terrorism and violence. But, no, we have American oil corporations that have special interests there. So, we turn a blind eye. Right.

Anyways, Iran isn't really a big deal. Every President has had his little military expedition. It's profitable, and easy to condone. Iran can go fuck itself for all I care.


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Re: Fucking God damn Iran [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11340573 - 10/28/09 07:53 PM (8 years, 27 days ago)

The only reason Iran is an issue is because jews are terrified of muslims getting nukes.


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Re: Fucking God damn Iran [Re: Shins]
    #11341704 - 10/28/09 10:59 PM (8 years, 27 days ago)

muslims have nukes, Iran just needs to hit up pakistan for a few


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Re: Fucking God damn Iran [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11343414 - 10/29/09 05:04 AM (8 years, 27 days ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
With sodomy.  This cracked me up:

Quote:

meatcakeman said

invading these helpless countries by means of the military, the economy, and the media.





Now I can see that military invasion is an invasion but the other two?  Spare me.  And we owe those cunts in the Iranian government a severe ass-kicking for their invasion of OUR country in 1980.  That's right.  They invaded our country and the feckless cunt Carter did nothing.





What invasion do you speak of? Is this a bluff? :rofl:

Spare you? America is notorious for manipulating the world through economic policies and its use of the media. To deny that is like saying politicians are poor; a fucking ridiculous claim.

The only incident involving Iran in 1980 that I can recall is the IRAQI invasion of Iran. Please, elaborate and enlighten me, zappaisgod.


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Re: Fucking God damn Iran [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #11343416 - 10/29/09 05:05 AM (8 years, 27 days ago)

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muslims have nukes, Iran just needs to hit up pakistan for a few





Oh, Iran can get nukes. Iran's allies with China. And you can bet your sweet gonads China has some god damn nukes.


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Re: Fucking God damn Iran [Re: meatcakeman]
    #11344112 - 10/29/09 11:11 AM (8 years, 27 days ago)

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What invasion do you speak of? Is this a bluff? :rofl:




The taking of the American Embassy in Iran. Embassies are property of the country residing in them.


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Re: Fucking God damn Iran [Re: Shins]
    #11345358 - 10/29/09 03:32 PM (8 years, 26 days ago)

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The only reason Iran is an issue is because jews are terrified of muslims getting nukes.



I am also rather nervous about these particular Muslims getting nukes myself.


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Re: Fucking God damn Iran [Re: meatcakeman]
    #11345367 - 10/29/09 03:34 PM (8 years, 26 days ago)

Quote:

meatcakeman said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
With sodomy.  This cracked me up:

Quote:

meatcakeman said

invading these helpless countries by means of the military, the economy, and the media.





Now I can see that military invasion is an invasion but the other two?  Spare me.  And we owe those cunts in the Iranian government a severe ass-kicking for their invasion of OUR country in 1980.  That's right.  They invaded our country and the feckless cunt Carter did nothing.





What invasion do you speak of? Is this a bluff? :rofl:

Spare you? America is notorious for manipulating the world through economic policies and its use of the media. To deny that is like saying politicians are poor; a fucking ridiculous claim.




Some of them aren't rich.  Charlie Rangel somehow managed to get rich while in office.  I wonder how that happened.
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The only incident involving Iran in 1980 that I can recall is the IRAQI invasion of Iran. Please, elaborate and enlighten me, zappaisgod.




See above.  They invaded sovereign US territory.


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