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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #1132669 - 12/11/02 02:59 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

"Actually the rate of pedophilia amongst Homosexuals is significantly less than the percentage of Hetrosexuals. "

Is that the number of abuse incidents, or the actual number of people who are pedophiles, because that would be pretty hard to measure accurately.


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: Phluck]
    #1132684 - 12/11/02 03:07 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

It is percentage.

Roughly .8% of Homosexuals are Pediphiles, whereas roughly 3.2% of Hetrosexuals are also Pediphiles.

This was a study done for a magazine, I am almost certain it was "Time" in 1998.


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #1132711 - 12/11/02 03:14 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)


The associating of Homosexuality and Pedophila is yet another stereotype that is unfounded.


Saying there are more gay pedophiles than hetero pedophiles would be an ignorant comment. I compared homosexuality with pedophilia because they are both sexual fetishes, just like infantalism or exhibitionism. You have normal sexuality, which is a healthy apetite for attractive women. Then you have the many sexual perversions/split sexualities which are almost always developed in adolescence.


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: Zahid]
    #1132753 - 12/11/02 03:34 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

When you accept the full deal, you accept everything. The clubs, the lifestyle, the washrooms, the leather scene, you name it. If we all listened to the APA, men having sex with boys would be considered acceptable.

Are you saying you accept every aspect of straight sex? The S&M scene, the leather clubs, exhibitionism etc......

Do you find men having sex with girls or women having sex with boys any more acceptable?


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: 3eyedgod]
    #1132777 - 12/11/02 03:42 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Now you're dragging the issue of Western society into this topic.


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: Zahid]
    #1132846 - 12/11/02 04:05 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Now you're dragging the issue of Western society into this topic. 

Would you care to elaborate?  What do you mean by this statement?
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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: Zahid]
    #1132895 - 12/11/02 04:25 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Saying there are more gay pedophiles than hetero pedophiles would be an ignorant comment.

Sorry, I was speaking about the stereotype that a lot of people have, I didn't mean that you had it.


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: Zahid]
    #1132906 - 12/11/02 04:33 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

"I compared homosexuality with pedophilia because they are both sexual fetishes, just like infantalism or exhibitionism."

Most other sexual fetishes incorporate attractive members of the opposite sex. Homosexuality is the only one that is accompanied by physical changes, like finger length, and a different voice.


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #1133225 - 12/11/02 06:36 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

However, do you think Gay's are more likely to violate those boundaries?
I don't play the more/less likely game. I only have my own experiences.

You cannot liken Gay's to pitbulls. The analogy does not hold true in my opinion.
Please DO NOT play dumb. Reread the post. I did NOT liken Gays to pit bulls. My analogy was about LEARNING and response to negative stimuli, not about any characteristic comparison.

Naturally, you did not answer my question. Would you pet the 100th pit bull or not? If yes, you have a learning dysfunction, if no then you are prejudging the dog!

I will respond no more until you CLEARLY address this point as it is useless until I understand how you view the REAL world.


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #1133240 - 12/11/02 06:45 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Actually the rate of pedophilia amongst Homosexuals is significantly less than the percentage of Hetrosexuals.

The associating of Homosexuality and Pedophila is yet another stereotype that is unfounded.


As the object of a dozen come-ons from adult men before I was 18 and ZERO come-ons from adult women, your statistic is highly suspect unless you are stating that only male adults are predators. Then my story tells nothing as I cannot speak to male-on-female pedophilia.

My personal association of Homosexuality and Pedophila had NOTHING to do with any stereotype and everyting to do with personal experience. I was exposed to no media linkage until long after I had these encounters.


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: Swami]
    #1133247 - 12/11/02 06:51 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

"As the object of a dozen come-ons from adult men before I was 18 and ZERO come-ons from adult women, your statistic is highly suspect unless you are stating that only male adults are predators. Then my story tells nothing as I cannot speak to male-on-female pedophilia."

You never hear about women raping young boys either.

Men tend to be attracted to people that are younger, and women are often attracted to older men.

Then again, if an older woman came onto a teenage male, I think they'd go for it, and it certainly wouldn't make the news.


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: Swami]
    #1133283 - 12/11/02 07:05 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

I don't play the more/less likely game. I only have my own experiences.

You are not answering my question. Do you think Gays are more likely than Straights to sexual assault you?

Please DO NOT play dumb.

I am not playing dumb. I simply believe, "The analogy does not hold true, in my opinion". That isn't playing dumb, that is disagreing.

Naturally, you did not answer my question. Would you pet the 100th pit bull or not?

You never asked a question. What you said was..."That is like saying, "I don't care how many pit bulls you have been mauled by, don't judge the next one by your past experiences. Pet the cute little doggie without fear.""

You didn't ask a question so I don't think you should get upset with me not answering it.

As to the question, like I said an analogy only works if you can liken it to reality. Homosexuals cannot be likened to dogs in reality. They have different intelligence levels, thought processes, desires, needs and therefore ENTIRELY different and uncomparable behaviors. However, for what its worth I would observe the dogs behavior and open myself up to the dog slowly. I would not tell the dog he didn't have the right to get married. :wink:

If yes, you have a learning dysfunction, if no then you are prejudging the dog!

Those are the only two options and conclusions? A situation involving Human beings with conflicting emotions, desires, thoughts and experiences has only TWO outcomes and TWO conclusions? Seems a little limited to me. What about the option to be observant and note things about the Homosexual and then decide how trustworthy he or she is? That isn't prejuding and immediatly thinking because they are Gay I need to keep a watch on them, thats what people do to each other. I do that to everyone and in my opinion a Homosexual isn't putting me in anymore risk than anyone else. I am going to need a FAR better reason to believe someone is worthy of being grouped into a higher catergory of mistrust because they are Gay.

Again I say -

Whatever justification you have for prejudging people is just that, an excuse to prejudge people. By assoiciating a skin color or sexual orientation with violence or negativity or sexual misconduct is EXACTLY what racism or Homophobia is. Any racist feels that the reason they hate is not because they are hateful, but because they are justifed.


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #1133307 - 12/11/02 07:16 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Do you think Gays are more likely than Straights to sexual assault you?
YES!

Let me attack the "99 out of 100 gays" thought experiment one more time. Do past experiences affect your behavior? What might lead you to believe, a priori, that the 100th would be an exception?

If you had 99 great experiences with cocker spaniels and 99 bad experiences with pit bulls, would you approach the two 100th dogs differently?

I submit that every single person on the planet with normal mental capacity would treat the two breeds differently. This is bias, but not blind cultural bias.


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: Swami]
    #1133318 - 12/11/02 07:19 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Well, I've gotta say, if you're a male, then yeah, gay men are way more likely to sexually assault you than straight men.


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: Swami]
    #1133339 - 12/11/02 07:29 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Even if you had a dozen (I don't know if you specified the number) terrible experiences with Homosexuals that doesn't give the right to prejudge the MILLIONS around the world based on the fact that you knew 12 "bad Homosexuals", in my opinion.

There are PLENTY of people in the world who have had bad experiences with people who use pychodelics, does that give them the right to prejudge you?

There are PLENTY of people in the world who have had bad experiences with Americans, does that give them the right to prejudge you?

There are PLENTY of people in the world who have had bad experiences with women, does that give them the right to prejudge you? Ever met a sexist? Don't they piss you off? Sexism is the female equal to Homophbia for Gays.

These are questions that beg to be answered.

Do past experiences affect your behavior? What might lead you to believe, a priori, that the 100th would be an exception?

If all Homosexuals were the same exact person than it would be okay to judge the 100th Gay based on the other 99. However, all Homosexuals have as different and diverse personalities, cultures and communities has Heterosexuals. So the 99 being bad would lead me to believe that those 99 are bad...as for the 100th guy, who knows? Not me, so why prejudge?


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: Phluck]
    #1133362 - 12/11/02 07:36 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Well, I've gotta say, if you're a male, then yeah, gay men are way more likely to sexually assault you than straight men.

How so? Based on what?


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #1133364 - 12/11/02 07:37 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Nice dodge on my clear, succinct questions.


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: Swami]
    #1133454 - 12/11/02 08:04 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Nice dodge on my clear, succinct questions.

I believe I answered your questions. I also believe I asked you several questions, of which you did not answer at all. Yet, you are irritated with me for doing the same...are you saying that two wrongs make a right?

To review the questions...You said -
"Do past experiences affect your behavior? What might lead you to believe, a priori, that the 100th would be an exception?"

To which I replied EXACTLY why I wouldn't judge the 100th person.

Also as to the question - "If you had 99 great experiences with cocker spaniels and 99 bad experiences with pit bulls, would you approach the two 100th dogs differently?"

I believe I have already cleared up why I think the analogy is unture. I don't think I minced my words on that at all. Moreover, I believe I answered your question as to exactly how I would approach the 100th dog.

I believe I have answered all your questions and you continue to avoid answering mine. That isn't intended to be a slam, it is my opinion. You ask me questions, I answered. I ask you questions you respond by saying (to the effect of) "you are dodging the question" in the very same post that you do not answer mine.


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #1133486 - 12/11/02 08:12 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

So tell me, how is ol' Aristotle anyway?


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Re: Racism, homophobia and homosexuality. [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #1133500 - 12/11/02 08:15 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

sorry for joining so late, and not reading the thread, but I just wanted to say that in my opinion racism is the biggest problem on the planet.


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