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Offlinejelsert
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Extraction Info and Shrooms/DMT Question
    #1133269 - 12/11/02 07:00 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Hey I was just looking through some old posts and I noticed that there was all this talk of psilocybin and psilocin being dirivitives of DMT. Is that true? If anyone out there knows of some good sources of information on the subject I would be really interested to get them.

Also I wanted to know more about doing extractions, are there any good teks out there that could explain the extraction, in both practice and in practicality?

Please let me know!


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Re: Extraction Info and Shrooms/DMT Question [Re: jelsert]
    #1133577 - 12/11/02 08:50 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Psilocin, which the body breaks down from psilocybin, is nearly identical to DMT. 

http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/psychoactives.shtml

There are good diagrams of these in "DMT: The Spirit Molecule" by Rick Strassman.

:grin: 


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Re: Extraction Info and Shrooms/DMT Question [Re: jelsert]
    #1133647 - 12/11/02 09:33 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Psilocybin = O-phosphoryl-4-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine


DMT = N,N-dimethyltryptamine


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Re: Extraction Info and Shrooms/DMT Question [Re: zeta]
    #1135573 - 12/12/02 02:27 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

So does this mean that DMT is sort of a "refined" version of psilocybin?


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Re: Extraction Info and Shrooms/DMT Question [Re: jelsert]
    #1136193 - 12/12/02 06:08 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

> So does this mean that DMT is sort of a "refined" version of psilocybin?

Yes.

If they are related, then here's the puzzler:

DMT is in our brains.

Did the brain try to copy psilocin and come up with DMT?

Or did endogenous DMT come first?

:confused:


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Edited by pattern (12/12/02 06:11 PM)


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Re: Extraction Info and Shrooms/DMT Question [Re: jelsert]
    #1136553 - 12/12/02 07:46 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Strassman calls psilocybin/psilocin "orally active DMT".


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Re: Extraction Info and Shrooms/DMT Question [Re: jelsert]
    #1136593 - 12/12/02 08:01 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

No it's not "refined", just substituted.
The O-phosphoryl-4-hydroxy group makes it orally active and less stable, but other than that I believe psilocybin and DMT are quite similar.


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Re: Extraction Info and Shrooms/DMT Question [Re: zeta]
    #1136598 - 12/12/02 08:06 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

psilocybin/dmt

as you can see once the phosphorus group comes off via the body it is almost exactly the same.


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Re: Extraction Info and Shrooms/DMT Question [Re: psychopsilocyber]
    #1137799 - 12/13/02 08:46 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

DMT is merely in the same family as psilocybin. They are both tryptamines.


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