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Grafting choice
    #11331414 - 10/27/09 02:41 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think one of these has been posted lately.  I was wondering what the membership prefers regarding grafting Lophophora between these two methods.  These are the two most popular methods in my opinion.  Which do you prefer?  If you feel like it, state your reasons why.
Which method do you prefer?
You may choose only one
Loph seedlings with Pereskiopsis.
Older Lophs with larger columnar Cacti.


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Re: Grafting choice [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #11331480 - 10/27/09 02:51 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know how to answer this. What do you mean prefer?

They serve sort of different purposes. I like them both. :shrug:


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Re: Grafting choice [Re: Big L]
    #11331570 - 10/27/09 03:05 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

ATM I've only attempted loph to pereskiopsis with success.

As I am in the US I don't feel like blowing lots of money on adult lophophora to practice hacking up :tongue:

The ones I have grafted to Pereskiopsis will eventually be transferred to either myrtillo or trich after they have outlived the stock.

I would have to say I enjoy the older stock grafts better as they last a very long time and tend to make very awesome clumps :smile:


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Re: Grafting choice [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #11331640 - 10/27/09 03:17 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Why not Lopho seedlings on nice large columnar stock?
This is totally possible and very easy to do.
These are optimoum in my experience because the columnar stocks last very long.


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    #11332540 - 10/27/09 06:01 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Grafting choice [Re: Mankey]
    #11332615 - 10/27/09 06:12 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Graft a medium sized loph to trichocereus or myrtillocactus- less room for failiure and it lasts longer...


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Re: Grafting choice [Re: nitelife]
    #11333889 - 10/27/09 08:59 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Big L said:
I don't know how to answer this. What do you mean prefer?

They serve sort of different purposes. I like them both. :shrug:




Well, some people have preferences as indicated by the other posts.  I don't really have a preference although as hard as it is to come by decent sized buttons, at least starting with Pereskiopsis would be my preference. 

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ATM I've only attempted loph to pereskiopsis with success.

As I am in the US I don't feel like blowing lots of money on adult lophophora to practice hacking up :tongue:

The ones I have grafted to Pereskiopsis will eventually be transferred to either myrtillo or trich after they have outlived the stock.

I would have to say I enjoy the older stock grafts better as they last a very long time and tend to make very awesome clumps :smile:




That's what I like about using columnar stock.  I think the clusters look better.  Lophs are incredibly expensive these days.  Back in the 80's I could get a two inch button for 5 bucks.  The first ones I bought were from a grandmother that was the size of a soccer ball.  I'm not kidding.  She used to throw two dozens pups a season and all the seeds came from her.  I didn't realize it at the time but I think the owner (a BIG name in cactus even today) made some kind of graft to get her that big.

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Why not Lopho seedlings on nice large columnar stock?
This is totally possible and very easy to do.
These are optimoum in my experience because the columnar stocks last very long.


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That's an awesome idea.  I never thought of that.

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I would tend to go with grafting seedlings to Pereskiopsis spp. and degrafting once the stocks capabilities would be less than the Lophophora spp. own roots. That way, with age you can retain a more natural looking appearance if you're concerned about that. If you're just looking to produce some mother/father plants I would definitely do what Felix said and graft seedlings to columnar cacti.




Both ideas are great I think.  I prefer the natural look when I can get it.

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Graft a medium sized loph to trichocereus or myrtillocactus- less room for failiure and it lasts longer...




Yeah, like CactusDan said, when you can get them.  Can be very hard to come by these days.  And picking in the wild really isn't much of an option.


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Re: Grafting choice [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #11333917 - 10/27/09 09:03 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

2 of my biggest lophs gave me scares. it rained and they got soft. for sure i thought it was rot but it was not. i still grafted both of them and now hope to have some serious grafts.

but i like grafting bigger species on equally big columns. its easier for me.


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Re: Grafting choice [Re: ferrel_human]
    #11334103 - 10/27/09 09:34 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Glad that worked out.  Yeah, as long as you can semi-match the vascular rings they are much easier to work with for me.


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Re: Grafting choice [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #11334124 - 10/27/09 09:37 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Glad that worked out.  Yeah, as long as you can semi-match the vascular rings they are much easier to work with for me.




don't get me wrong i have grafted little tiny things on columns and had them work out. but bigger is always easier to graft.


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Re: Grafting choice [Re: ferrel_human]
    #11334136 - 10/27/09 09:38 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I hear ya, me too.


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Re: Grafting choice [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #11335661 - 10/28/09 01:20 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

To me its all apples and oranges :shrug:

I have a tendency to just use whatever is around at the time, or whatever needs pruning, be it pachanoi, pereskiopsis, or a my massive garden of cuzcos.

Personally, I like grafting to all sorts of different stock, just to see the differences in the way they develop. But again, it all boils down to what I am trying to achieve with the graft.
Every stock has its uses


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Re: Grafting choice [Re: satyr]
    #11337699 - 10/28/09 01:22 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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To me its all apples and oranges :shrug:

I have a tendency to just use whatever is around at the time, or whatever needs pruning, be it pachanoi, pereskiopsis, or a my massive garden of cuzcos.

Personally, I like grafting to all sorts of different stock, just to see the differences in the way they develop. But again, it all boils down to what I am trying to achieve with the graft.
Every stock has its uses




i actually prefer a fast stock. pachanoi is fine and does well but i have a peruvianus that gives me like 2+ft a year of grwoth and that one produces some fat ass grafts.


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Re: Grafting choice [Re: ferrel_human]
    #11338026 - 10/28/09 02:09 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, my peruvianus' and cuzcos' seem to grow fat scions, rapidly. 
Lately I've become quite fond of Stenocereus pruinosis for stock, the growth rates are about the same, maybe even just a bit faster than the peruvianus/cuzco stock.


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Re: Grafting choice [Re: satyr]
    #11338742 - 10/28/09 03:54 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Damn, that's a help!  Thanks for the suggestion.


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