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Personalism?
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I just had a warning for a personalism, im not disputing it at all, i well deserved it & its nice to know there is an active mod here...

I just wanted to clarify what distinguishes a personalism?

Isn't saying someones beleifs are stupid, just as much a personalism as saying they themselves are stupid?

And its okay for one person to call a certain group of beleifs stupid, but when you challenge that persons beleifs, its suddenly offensive?

Whats the difference?

:peace:

EDIT: the point of this post is NOT to say that posts should not be mocked or challenged (there are other forums obviously)
the point is that the ones who challenge beleifs should be willing to be challenged themselves in the same manner, otherwise its pointless making challenging threads in the first place

i think we should allow all personalisms
we will all be better off for it



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Edited by Chronic7 (10/26/09 04:47 PM)

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Re: Personalism? [Re: Chronic7]
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was it the post that had to do with someone wrestling with their beliefs?

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Re: Personalism? [Re: deranger]
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Yes but thats irrelevant... :shrug:

Perhaps when singling particular people out then it becomes personal


I just find it funny that its okay to say an entire group of people are stupid, but call a particular one person stupid & suddenly its wrong...

Even the 'debunkers' could agree with that...


I guess its like any human being can admit humanity as a whole is ignorant, but they cant admit that they themselves are ignorant!


:peace:


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Re: Personalism? [Re: Chronic7]
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:rofl2:

you're so bad.

this "rule" reminds me of my old boss. he would let certain people get away with being complete assholes, but when someone else said something a little bit out of line.. slap!

but yeah it definitely is favoritism (mixed in with a bit of high school drama).

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Re: Personalism? [Re: Chronic7]
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It is hypocritical to allow me to be mocked indirectly by being a member of a certain group, yet get all upset about something less offensive.


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Re: Personalism? [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said:
Isn't saying someones beleifs are stupid, just as much a personalism as saying they themselves are stupid?




No. They're entirely different. A person and an idea are too very separate things.


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Re: Personalism? [Re: learningtofly]
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he told someone they wrestle with their beliefs.

do you think that constitutes a warning?

keep in mind he's been here since 04'.

someone isn't playing by the rules :wink:

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Re: Personalism? [Re: deranger]
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Wonder who?


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Re: Personalism? [Re: deranger]
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learningtofly said:
Chronic777 said:
Isn't saying someones beleifs are stupid, just as much a personalism as saying they themselves are stupid?




No. They're entirely different. A person and an idea are too very separate things.


a person is nothing more than an idea
if you clear your mind of every single idea, thought, beleif, all imagnation swept aside
there is no 'person' left to speak of
theres a body, but not a 'personal' person


deranger said:
he told someone they wrestle with their beliefs.

do you think that constitutes a warning?

keep in mind he's been here since 04'.

someone isn't playing by the rules :wink:


I fully deserved the warning (according to the forum rules)

However i do think its ridiculous that some can galvant around the forum making post after post after post after post, berating other peoples beleifs, but when that persons beleifs are challeneged, suddenly its not okay...

If you are willing to challenge peoples beleifs then your beleifs should be able to withstand a similar challenge...

:peace:


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Re: Personalism? [Re: Chronic7]
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The rules state long time forum regulars generally get more leniency than noobs.
There are regulars in this forum who've been here less time than you but get away with much more blatant personalisms than the one you used (and many a times).
Do you still think yours was deserved?

Nothing like exposure :thumbup:

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Re: Personalism? [Re: Band of Gypsys]
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Band of Gypsys said:
Wonder who?


the green guy.

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Re: Personalism? [Re: deranger]
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Im not too concerned about it, if i get banned then ill go do something else :shrug:

Ive had a good run...

Its just hilarious how certain people can masquerade as 'intelligent' yet be completely ignorant to their own true nature

They make threads about the same thing over & over, dont even discuss the subject matter in the thread, then make another thread in the same vein, again & again it repeats...

What use in making the thread if they are not willing to honestly discuss the matter the first time round?

:lol:

:peace:


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Re: Personalism? [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said:
Its just hilarious how certain people can masquerade as 'intelligent' yet be completely ignorant to their own true nature



I noticed this trend myself. I got a warning, too. I thought that was pretty lame with what goes on around here.


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Re: Personalism? [Re: Band of Gypsys]
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At least a mod is back around, im sure we are not the only ones getting warned...

:peace:


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Re: Personalism? [Re: Chronic7]
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Some mods are more zealous than others. I wish there was some consistency.


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Re: Personalism? [Re: Band of Gypsys]
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We have people deciding what is a personalism :rofl:

:peace:


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Re: Personalism? [Re: Band of Gypsys]
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I figured it out.

We need a (strict) believer as a mod to tame the debunkers.

:awesome:

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Re: Personalism? [Re: deranger]
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I thought they wanted all the spirituality out of here. Except for the anti-spirituality, I guess.


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Re: Personalism? [Re: deranger]
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We need someone who doesnt beleive in anything at all!

Someone completely neutral

I think vertias is the best mod, shes probably :shrug: just too busy most of the time to be surfing round here looking for personalisms
Shit, was that a personalism!?

We need a neutral neutered net nerd whose gonna be around here more often....

Band of Gypsys said:
I thought they wanted all the spirituality out of here. Except for the anti-spirituality, I guess.


:rofl:

Theres nothing more spiritual than an anti spirtualist

It just goes to show, if spirituality is so non-existent & false, then why does it need debunking every day?
Would someone waste their time talking about something that doesnt exist to them?

:peace:


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Re: Personalism? [Re: Band of Gypsys]
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alright then, someone who is against the p&s debunker attitude, like myself :evil:

wait, nahh.

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Re: Personalism? [Re: Chronic7]
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does it even matter what they believe?  they are here to implement the rules.

lots of believers discuss psychology and their own personal philosophies, no?

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Re: Personalism? [Re: deranger]
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Everybody believes in something. What I believe is all intertwined with my views on psychology, philosophy and sociology. As is the case with everyone, even if they can't see it.


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Re: Personalism? [Re: deranger]
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I think we should allow all personalisms & just be done with it

The people here who i have had most intelligent discussion with are not spiritualist beleivers nor materialist non-beleivers, but people like icelander, who are skeptical, yet they are also wise enough to know that something more is going on, so are actually willing to hear you out & have an intellectual discussion/debate, rather than calling people 'retarded' and not actually discussing or debating anything


:peace:


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Re: Personalism? [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said:
The people here who i have had most intelligent discussion with are not spiritualist beleivers nor materialist non-beleivers, but people like icelander, who are skeptical, yet they are also wise enough to know that something more is going on, so are actually willing to hear you out & have an intellectual discussion/debate, rather than calling people 'retarded' and not actually discussing or debating anything


anyhow it's not really about what is believed in.  even the so called believers are discussing their personal philosophies, so they are entitled to have a go at moderating IMO.  the only mods in place now are bunkers, so naturally they will favor others like them.  it would only be balance to have a mod who is not of this bunk mentality.

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Re: Personalism? [Re: Band of Gypsys]
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Band of Gypsys said:
Everybody believes in something. What I believe is all intertwined with my views on psychology, philosophy and sociology. As is the case with everyone, even if they can't see it.


* debunker's version of a believer.

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Re: Personalism? [Re: deranger]
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deranger said:
the only mods in place now are bunkers, so naturally they will favor others like them.


im not sure if this is true, but ifit is then its ridiculous
i dont know diploid but from what ive read veritas is at the least open minded
i cant see her giving out warnings in favoritist defense of closed minded clowns who go around calling people retarded
she even gave Icelander warnings & they're friends outside of the shroomery
so i dont think favoritism comes into it

the general vibe of this place is going downhill anyway
i cant see myself staying for much longer
the habit of coming here is just playing out by itself, it will exaughst itself soon...
dont start celebrating just yet though...

:peace:


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Edited by Chronic7 (10/26/09 05:50 PM)

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Re: Personalism? [Re: Chronic7]
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i cant see myself staying for much longer

you'll miss us

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Re: Personalism? [Re: Chronic7]
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stupid .. very simple example.

You say : Buddha is the path to enlightenment.

I say : You're an idiot.

thats a personalism.

what i can do is say : thats a pretty idiotic thing to say.


I think.. the whole point of avoiding personalisms is so that we focus on whats being discussed and not on a particular person.

Just like with jesus..
dont praise him , try to understand his message.

I felt the same way you do.. but after looking more closely i realized that its actually a good thing.

If i present a topic about being vegetarian and you come in to bash on it...
it would completely detrimental to the discussion if i said that you're only saying that because your fat in real life.
although it might be true... it defeats the purpose of debate which is discussing ideas, not the people which bring them forth.

and no.. i dont think challenging someones beliefs is the same as bashing on them personally.
my beliefs have changed so drastically and continue shifting on a regular basis..
challenging or even insulting them does no harm.
on the other hand.. if you manage to push one of my buttons by getting personal with me.. i might just act on my ego , get upset and talk back in the same manner.

THAT .. is something that is being avoided with the personalism rule.

On the other hand.. some people are very skilled at getting their message across without breaking the rules.
This is where the situation has no other course but to be left at the mods discretion , and as far as i can tell  , this is also being avoided.

Without rules.. we turn into a stupid mob of people arguing with each other and building up our egos without ever honestly discussing the ideas at hand.

But even with the rules , we find something that we dont like.

I think.. that we just naturally don't appreciate rules and i think  its good that we don't.

But.. theres a lot of RETARDED people out there.. and we just have to make some , so they dont run around making everything retarded :smile:

I play this video game every now and then.
There are actually people.. that come on to the server.. just to fuck with people.
they turn on a cheat and kill everybody in 10 seconds.
or they come on your team.. and throw bombs to blind the entire team.
They dont come to play.. they dont even know how to play good.
They literally waste their time.. to make our time miserable.

and you just gotta ban the dumb motherfuckers...
no time for understanding - we got a game to play
gtfo


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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..

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Re: Personalism? [Re: deranger]
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ill miss the hours flying by while im waiting to go home from work...

only playing, i do like it here
its trained me well for my future...
i will miss it, beautifully

its really good to miss things
to leave them, then look back & know you will never ever experience that place again
the heart wrenching pain is the best part

its kinda how i feel about the shroomery
it used to be so cool, challenging, open minded, colourful & so many flavours
now its just split into black & white & becoming flavourless

a flower only blooms for so long
people will keep doing shrooms tho... :wink:

its been nice talking to you, its about to turn midnight here so im going home now

:peace:


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Re: Personalism? [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said:
it used to be so cool, challenging, open minded, colourful & so many flavours
now its just split into black & white & becoming flavourless


the colors are still here mixed in with the black and white
maybe you are focusing to much on the black and white and as a result have forgotten about the colors?

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Re: Personalism? [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said:
I just had a warning for a personalism, im not disputing it at all, i well deserved it & its nice to know there is an active mod here...

I just wanted to clarify what distinguishes a personalism?

Isn't saying someones beleifs are stupid, just as much a personalism as saying they themselves are stupid?

And its okay for one person to call a certain group of beleifs stupid, but when you challenge that persons beleifs, its suddenly offensive?

Whats the difference?

:peace:

EDIT: the point of this post is NOT to say that posts should not be mocked or challenged (there are other forums obviously)
the point is that the ones who challenge beleifs should be willing to be challenged themselves in the same manner, otherwise its pointless making challenging threads in the first place

i think we should allow all personalisms
we will all be better off for it



I say keep the 'no personalisms' rule; WTF does the poster have to do with the ideas posted? :what:


Maybe PSP should have a sticky Pup-style thread where only PSP regulars (if that idea I proposed is even implemented) are allowed to post in. :shrug:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Personalism? [Re: Poid]
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Dude, we already have the sensitive, fluffy bunny, kiddie pool forum. Do we need another division?


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Re: Personalism? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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My idea of having a sticky Pup-style thread where only PSP regulars (if that idea I proposed is even implemented) are allowed to post in would be part of this forum, and would basically only be meant for individuals who are the antithesis of those sensitive, fluffy bunny, kiddie pool individuals. :satansmoking:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Personalism? [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said:
learningtofly said:
Chronic777 said:
Isn't saying someones beleifs are stupid, just as much a personalism as saying they themselves are stupid?




No. They're entirely different. A person and an idea are too very separate things.


a person is nothing more than an idea
if you clear your mind of every single idea, thought, beleif, all imagnation swept aside
there is no 'person' left to speak of
theres a body, but not a 'personal' person




In a debate, you argue ideas. Which is why it makes no sense to attack a person's character. They are separate.

A person's beliefs may make up their identity but it is not who they are.


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Re: Personalism? [Re: Poid]
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The we can keep splitting forums until there is only one member in each forum - yay!


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Re: Personalism? [Re: learningtofly]
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Some of your regulars are the worst offenders. They just get away with it by using emoticon, technicalities or favoritism.


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Re: Personalism? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I'm not proposing that we create a new forum, I'm just saying that we could have a Pub-style sticky thread where only PSP regulars may post in. :shrug:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Personalism? [Re: Chronic7]
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I just wanted to clarify what distinguishes a personalism?

I can't say specifically in this case since I wasn't the one who issued the warning.

My suggestion: PM the mod and ask what's up. :mushroom2:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Personalism? [Re: Diploid]
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It wasn't an issue with that, i did say a personalism & deserved the warning, im not disputing that

Im only curious how

1. attacking an entire group of people is more acceptable then attacking one particular person? 

2. how its okay for someone to attack an entire group of beleifs, but when that particular persons beleifs are then challenged in return, then it not okay...

:peace:





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Re: Personalism? [Re: Chronic7]
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Isn't saying someones beleifs are stupid, just as much a personalism as saying they themselves are stupid?


Only if you are attached to your words. If you think you are what you say then you take it personal when someone says your post is dumb.

I actually agree there is no difference for the most part. But it's a nice loophole to take advantage of when you're in the mood. Only an asshole wouldn't :lol:

I like a little flaming. It's like putting hot sauce in the beans. There is a point however when all it is is flames and that's not good IMO.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Personalism? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
There is a point however when all it is is flames and that's not good IMO.

:flamethrow::onfire:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Personalism? [Re: Poid]
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:piss::flamethrow::onfire:

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Re: Personalism? [Re: deranger]
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It should be:


deranger said:
:piss::onfire:






And I would respond:


:congrats:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Personalism? [Re: Poid]
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I think the difference is in regards to whether the reply is making at least some small attempt to be productive, and not simply to cause harm. If I say your ideas are stupid, it indicates those ideas could be improved on. If I say your ideas indicate you are stupid, it indicates you can do no better, which generally leads to unproductive exchanges. Without that rule, this forum would basically be OTD.


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why there is reality and patterned, law-like consistency at all, rather than noise or non-reality is not a question physics answers. It's a question physics presupposes an answer to in order to provide other answers.

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Re: Personalism? [Re: Rahz]
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Rahz said:
Without that rule, this forum would basically be OTD.

QFT


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Personalism? [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said:
I just wanted to clarify what distinguishes a personalism?



Good luck with that.  As with all other words, definitions change over time.  vary from person to person, mod to mod.

Justice is a concept that doesn't exist in reality.


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