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Cold Peyote
    #11324212 - 10/26/09 02:47 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

So our night time temps are right around freezing.. little above or below depending.  I'm receiving a loph in the mail soon and was wondering if this is going to substantially damage my little guy.  I plan to graft to a pachanoi and place under a 150w HPS but I was thinking it might be best if I just pot it in cacti soil and let it readjust before trying?


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Re: Cold Peyote [Re: hnc]
    #11324224 - 10/26/09 02:49 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I ordered cacti (a peyote, and a few trichs) when it was around -15 C outside before and they arrived fine (somewhat cold, but they were fine).


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Re: Cold Peyote [Re: hnc]
    #11324227 - 10/26/09 02:49 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

imo it should be all mkay :wink:


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Re: Cold Peyote [Re: kaste]
    #11324277 - 10/26/09 02:59 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

whew, been stressing about it for 2 days.  Thanks guys :smile:


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Re: Cold Peyote [Re: hnc]
    #11324287 - 10/26/09 03:01 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, you should be fine.

Just don't give it water until it warms up and comes out of dormancy.


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Re: Cold Peyote [Re: hnc]
    #11328455 - 10/27/09 12:48 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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So our night time temps are right around freezing.. little above or below depending.  I'm receiving a loph in the mail soon and was wondering if this is going to substantially damage my little guy.  I plan to graft to a pachanoi and place under a 150w HPS but I was thinking it might be best if I just pot it in cacti soil and let it readjust before trying?





CactusDan's advice is good.  There are some decent websites (and threads here) that outline growing tracks of the little deer.  I don't know how much you know but you've been here a while.  Here are a few well-proven tips.

1.  Do not water immediately after you repot.
2.  Do not grow in full sun or a window with a Southern exposure.
3.  Make sure your graft is completely sterile.  Use the two slice method for San Pedro grafts.
4.  A root stock with a large root system should increase growth over a smaller root system.
5.  Don't over water.
6.  Don't let it get cold unless it is really dry.

:goodluck:

Mitakuye oyasin, Kola.


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Re: Cold Peyote [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #11328760 - 10/27/09 01:43 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Should add to that list
7.  The best time to graft is when both scion and stock are in active growth.


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Re: Cold Peyote [Re: PoC]
    #11328918 - 10/27/09 02:09 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Another thing to consider: Always water from bottom with lophophoras. It encourages the growth of a strong taproot, and reduces risks of rot.


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Re: Cold Peyote [Re: jds]
    #11329595 - 10/27/09 05:06 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Another thing to consider: Always water from bottom with lophophoras. It encourages the growth of a strong taproot, and reduces risks of rot.



Does this applies to trichs too?


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Re: Cold Peyote [Re: kaste]
    #11330276 - 10/27/09 10:59 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

no.

not even needed for lophs unless you use spongy soils and have cool temps.  in warm climates, lophs do great with above water.  when its cold, just lay off completely.


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Re: Cold Peyote [Re: kadakuda]
    #11330445 - 10/27/09 11:37 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Wow, thanks for the great advice guys!  After I receive the little guy I'll just pot him and leave him be for a while to adjust from the shipment.. maybe graft in 3 weeks?


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Re: Cold Peyote [Re: hnc]
    #11330489 - 10/27/09 11:48 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Just be sure that both plants are actively growing or else it has a high risk of failing.

Your best bet is to wait until spring/summer to graft.

Also, because it is something that usually takes some getting used to, make sure you don't kill your only/favorite one.


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Re: Cold Peyote [Re: Cactusdan]
    #11330919 - 10/27/09 01:11 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I keep all my cacti in my cabinet under a 150w HPS, don't think the season will have much of an effect.  Think it would be wiser to wait for the loph to pup and graft those instead so I have don't run the risk of destroying my only specimen of a a relatively rare cactus?


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Re: Cold Peyote [Re: Cactusdan]
    #11331275 - 10/27/09 02:16 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

PatternOfChaos said:
Should add to that list
7.  The best time to graft is when both scion and stock are in active growth.



Quote:

HellDragon said:
Another thing to consider: Always water from bottom with lophophoras. It encourages the growth of a strong taproot, and reduces risks of rot.



Quote:

Cactusdan said:
Just be sure that both plants are actively growing or else it has a high risk of failing.

Your best bet is to wait until spring/summer to graft.

Also, because it is something that usually takes some getting used to, make sure you don't kill your only/favorite one.




Sweet advice!  All you guys deserve a five for being nice and helpful.

:cheers:

hnc:  Good luck man.  If they can grow these in England, Maine should be no problem.


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Re: Cold Peyote [Re: hnc]
    #11331539 - 10/27/09 02:59 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I would definitely either:

a. Purchase more so you have more scions to work from
b. Wait for it to pup, although if it is not caespitosa that may take decades.
c. Buy seeds, start some from seed and practice with Pereskiopsis grafting too!


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Re: Cold Peyote [Re: Cactusdan]
    #11334167 - 10/27/09 09:41 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

You can also practice on easier, cheaper buttons and stock, especially the buttons.  Try Mams, they are WAY cheap.


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Re: Cold Peyote [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #11336675 - 10/28/09 08:35 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

He shouldn't have to buy seeds.. lophs flower like crazy! And if it's a williamsii he'll have fruits in no time. My loph flowered around 10 times since I have it, and I have plenty of seeds from its fruits. I even sowed around 10 and got 7 seedlings growing.


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Re: Cold Peyote [Re: jds]
    #11338915 - 10/28/09 04:19 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I read somewhere online about cross pollinating to insure better genetics.  I don't know about that though.


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Re: Cold Peyote [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #11341675 - 10/28/09 10:54 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

You get more seed from cross pollinated fruit, but I don't know think there is much adverse effect on the species due to them being self-fertile.

If anything, I think it would help maintain genetic characteristics.


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Re: Cold Peyote (update) [Re: Cactusdan]
    #11406915 - 11/07/09 08:34 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

So I finally got my little guy in the mail.  Very happy to have him home and in good(?) condition.  Although I think I have an unforeseen issue.  I have what appears to be a small puncture wound just below the soil line.  The base is also much softer than I expected, you can see the color change where it really starts to become soft... this is my first introduction to this genus and am not sure how resilient they are so, as always, any advice is greatly appreciated.  Thanks guys.



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