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Molasses added to bulk substrates.
    #11324102 - 10/26/09 02:32 PM (8 years, 30 days ago)

anyone have any success or even tried using molasses in a bulk or anything? Blackstrap or unsulfured type of molasses.

if you guys don't know, its a very very beneficial nutrient in the final stages of flowering for marijuana. due to to heavy amounts of potassium and carbohydrates along with many other secondary nutrients. It helps feed those beneficial bacteria in the soil allowing increased nutrient intake through the roots, even at 1tbs per gallon of water.

so i was wondering if it could be implemented to a bulk substrate that we pasteurize, at least feeding the essential beneficial bacteria and cooperatively working with the mycelial network. could there be any point?

and if anyone would think it would invite contams, im guessing not due to the fact it will only support good bacteria that ward off new molds or bad bacteria. I do know that molasses is added to compost beds towards the end. Also, it is added to commercial mushroom compost where mycelium to bolts through it.


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Re: Molasses added to bulk substrates. [Re: galadar]
    #11324158 - 10/26/09 02:40 PM (8 years, 30 days ago)

It's a rich, complex food source, with minerals and vitamins and other goodies, so the mycelium should like that.
:shrug: Give it a try. You might want to do some grain jars or agar plates first and look at how much to add.
I suspect you won't need much, but there's no telling until you try the experiment.


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Re: Molasses added to bulk substrates. [Re: Doc_T]
    #11324169 - 10/26/09 02:41 PM (8 years, 30 days ago)

you might want to try the "unsulfanated" type of malasses. its not refined as much. more nutrients


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Re: Molasses added to bulk substrates. [Re: myco_mikey_mo]
    #11324180 - 10/26/09 02:42 PM (8 years, 30 days ago)

i use grandmas original as an agar additive and in my LCs
http://www.grandmasmolasses.com/grandmas/grandmas_products.asp


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Re: Molasses added to bulk substrates. [Re: Slimz]
    #11324193 - 10/26/09 02:45 PM (8 years, 30 days ago)

yea blackstrap unsulfured is the type i was talking about.


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Re: Molasses added to bulk substrates. [Re: galadar]
    #11324210 - 10/26/09 02:47 PM (8 years, 30 days ago)

Definitely worth trying. Also would work for LC, I think.


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Re: Molasses added to bulk substrates. [Re: Slimz]
    #11324219 - 10/26/09 02:48 PM (8 years, 30 days ago)

From 2005.  It's an 'OK' supplement for woodchips or other substrates that will remain sterile in filter patch bags or similar during colonization.  I wouldn't use it in any open bulk grows.
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Re: Molasses added to bulk substrates. [Re: Doc_T]
    #11324241 - 10/26/09 02:53 PM (8 years, 30 days ago)

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Definitely worth trying. Also would work for LC, I think.



well im not so concerned about lc, but if it works thats great.
im looking more for the protection of a bulk substrate. since with hydroponics, it promotes beneficial microbes.

maybe add it to a grain soak?

theres lots of nutrients in molasses.
VERY HIGH in Potassium, Magnesium, Calcium and Iron


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Re: Molasses added to bulk substrates. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #11324248 - 10/26/09 02:54 PM (8 years, 30 days ago)

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From 2005.  It's an 'OK' supplement for woodchips or other substrates that will remain sterile in filter patch bags or similar during colonization.  I wouldn't use it in any open bulk grows.
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coir hydro growers love to add molasses to it.
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Re: Molasses added to bulk substrates. [Re: galadar]
    #11324283 - 10/26/09 03:00 PM (8 years, 30 days ago)

Molasses sounds far too nutritious as a bulk substrate. Too much sugar.

The reason manure and other (reasonably) low-nutrient substrates work is that our mushroom mycelium is able to recover and start colonizing faster than other molds can take hold.  A bulk substrate with molasses added would probably get beaten down with trich.

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Re: Molasses added to bulk substrates. [Re: Brennus]
    #11324303 - 10/26/09 03:03 PM (8 years, 30 days ago)

^^^ molasses is what's left over after they take the sugar out of sugar cane.


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Re: Molasses added to bulk substrates. [Re: Doc_T]
    #11324325 - 10/26/09 03:06 PM (8 years, 30 days ago)

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^^^ molasses is what's left over after they take the sugar out of sugar cane.




But I'm guessing that the vast majority of calories in molasses still come from sugar. Right? :shrug:


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Re: Molasses added to bulk substrates. [Re: Brennus]
    #11324356 - 10/26/09 03:12 PM (8 years, 30 days ago)

Oh, yeah. It's sweet to the taste. But it's not like dumping in pure sugar or karo wold be.
And it's diverse, lots of different ingredients. But most of the sucrose has been removed.
And I don't think anybody is talking about using very much, btw. Just a bit to boost things along.


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Re: Molasses added to bulk substrates. [Re: Doc_T]
    #11324394 - 10/26/09 03:17 PM (8 years, 30 days ago)

blackstrap molasses is whats left after the third boil so there is actually very little sugar in it.. i think it will work great.


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Re: Molasses added to bulk substrates. [Re: Doc_T]
    #11324444 - 10/26/09 03:23 PM (8 years, 30 days ago)

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Oh, yeah. It's sweet to the taste. But it's not like dumping in pure sugar or karo wold be.
And it's diverse, lots of different ingredients. But most of the sucrose has been removed.
And I don't think anybody is talking about using very much, btw. Just a bit to boost things along.



exactly.

Blackstrap molasses doesnt even have a sweet taste. its bitter.
why would organic hydro growers use if it werent to work?


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Re: Molasses added to bulk substrates. [Re: galadar]
    #11324497 - 10/26/09 03:30 PM (8 years, 30 days ago)

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why would organic hydro growers use if it




Mushrooms aren't plants, so this by itself is not really a useful argument.


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Re: Molasses added to bulk substrates. [Re: Doc_T]
    #11324536 - 10/26/09 03:37 PM (8 years, 30 days ago)

what about honey? because honey is a super food


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Re: Molasses added to bulk substrates. [Re: mushroom cult]
    #11324552 - 10/26/09 03:39 PM (8 years, 30 days ago)

honey == sucrose == contam..


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Re: Molasses added to bulk substrates. [Re: Doc_T]
    #11324614 - 10/26/09 03:47 PM (8 years, 30 days ago)

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why would organic hydro growers use if it




Mushrooms aren't plants, so this by itself is not really a useful argument.




well growers use coir and molasses as well. and nothing contams post pasteurization.


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Re: Molasses added to bulk substrates. [Re: galadar]
    #11324643 - 10/26/09 03:50 PM (8 years, 30 days ago)

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Quote:

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Quote:

galadar said:
why would organic hydro growers use if it




Mushrooms aren't plants, so this by itself is not really a useful argument.




well growers use coir and molasses as well.




Also not a useful argument.

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galadar said:and nothing contams post pasteurization.



Uh... what?


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