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PF TEK recipe for the best yield?
    #11322287 - 10/26/09 02:47 AM (8 years, 29 days ago)

Does anyone have a brf-verm-h20 ratio(+additives?) that has proven to produce more babies during the fruiting cycles other than the standard pf tek formula? I know of adding gypsum and that's about it.


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Re: PF TEK recipe for the best yield? [Re: Plutonian]
    #11322295 - 10/26/09 02:48 AM (8 years, 29 days ago)

You can also add coffee/water 50/50  but thats about it there is no point adding anything else brf is pretty nurishing


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Re: PF TEK recipe for the best yield? [Re: truskool]
    #11322560 - 10/26/09 05:10 AM (8 years, 29 days ago)

There isnt much you can  do  to cakes to  improve them....they are  just the basic starting blocks for new growers, Look into pasterizing some pints of horse poo then spawning a  pint  with a colonized pf 1/2 pint into a takeaway foil container, this would be a nice step up whilst  still fairly simple.


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Re: PF TEK recipe for the best yield? [Re: Zed]
    #11322597 - 10/26/09 05:28 AM (8 years, 29 days ago)

Yea taking a cake and spawning to manure or coir greatly helps yield.  Its fairly simple too if you can boil water you can pasturize coir


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Re: PF TEK recipe for the best yield? [Re: truskool]
    #11322907 - 10/26/09 09:31 AM (8 years, 29 days ago)

so what do you mean by spawning to manure?
So after my pf tek cakes are 100% colonized, I can take it out and mix it with manure?
How do I do it?
Sorry if this sounds too noobish...


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Re: PF TEK recipe for the best yield? [Re: Plutonian]
    #11322931 - 10/26/09 09:42 AM (8 years, 29 days ago)

yea, basically you give  the cakes a few extra days after 100% colonized to make sure its all well colonized inside.

Then you take the cake and place into a small bag and crumble it up (this creates your spawn), then mix in with  you PASTERIZED horse poo, place  in a suitable container covered over with a few small holes for gas exchange. In around 5-7 days take a wee peek and when 100% colonized you can put in your fruiting chamber.


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Re: PF TEK recipe for the best yield? [Re: Zed]
    #11322943 - 10/26/09 09:47 AM (8 years, 29 days ago)

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yea, basically you give  the cakes a few extra days after 100% colonized to make sure its all well colonized inside.

Then you take the cake and place into a small bag and crumble it up (this creates your spawn), then mix in with  you PASTERIZED horse poo, place  in a suitable container covered over with a few small holes for gas exchange. In around 5-7 days take a wee peek and when 100% colonized you can put in your fruiting chamber.




So after 100% colonized, I wait a few days then take it out and put it in a bag mix with the pasterized hpoo?

What container are you talking about? So this container stores my cake wrapped with a bag?


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Re: PF TEK recipe for the best yield? [Re: Zed]
    #11322945 - 10/26/09 09:47 AM (8 years, 29 days ago)

the standard recipie works pretty well. I had been getting great results by hydrating my verm in week coffee and making it just slightly on the dry side. 50g wet on both first and 2nd flushes of ckaes fruited in soda bottles then i chucked the cakes and started fresh.

If you want to improve you can add gypsum to the mix, most substrates lack calcium and sulpher so its a good additive in just about any substrate.

Yes, you can spawn yoiur cakes to pasturised manure, works pretty well. I liked to add a little verm to help with holding extra moisture, i also added some instant coffee, others usually use used coffee grinds. Again gypsym in the mix helps.

when spawning, no need to wait a week, once its fully colinised, spawn to your bulk and leave in colinising conditions until fully colinised. Id start of at a 2:1 (bulk:spawn) spawn ratio


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Re: PF TEK recipe for the best yield? [Re: Plutonian]
    #11322956 - 10/26/09 09:50 AM (8 years, 29 days ago)

lol, sorry i may be talking a little fast....

1: give cake a few extra days after 100%
2: birth the cake into a clean bag and crumble up
3: place pasterized horse poo + the crumbled cake into a container (tupperware box, takeaway container etc) and mix well.
4: cover over with cling film or foil with a few holes poked in the top
5: check in around a week for 100% colonization
6: place in fruiting chamber

hope this is more straight forward...


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Re: PF TEK recipe for the best yield? [Re: Zed]
    #11323018 - 10/26/09 10:17 AM (8 years, 29 days ago)

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lol, sorry i may be talking a little fast....

1: give cake a few extra days after 100%
2: birth the cake into a clean bag and crumble up
3: place pasterized horse poo + the crumbled cake into a container (tupperware box, takeaway container etc) and mix well.
4: cover over with cling film or foil with a few holes poked in the top
5: check in around a week for 100% colonization
6: place in fruiting chamber

hope this is more straight forward...




you are supposed to skip the consolidation period when you are using the mycellium as spawn.


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Re: PF TEK recipe for the best yield? [Re: prismism]
    #11323067 - 10/26/09 10:37 AM (8 years, 29 days ago)

Its just making sure that the inside of the cake is colonised, I would tell every new grower to do this!


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Re: PF TEK recipe for the best yield? [Re: Zed]
    #11323107 - 10/26/09 10:52 AM (8 years, 29 days ago)

yeah i realize why you are saying that. but its basic knowledge that if the entire outside is colonized then the so is the middle. there is much less surface area on the inside of the jar than on the outer surface.


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Re: PF TEK recipe for the best yield? [Re: prismism]
    #11323118 - 10/26/09 10:57 AM (8 years, 29 days ago)

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yeah i realize why you are saying that. but its basic knowledge that if the entire outside is colonized then the so is the middle. there is much less surface area on the inside of the jar than on the outer surface.




If you noc onto the glass at an angle it could be easyer to travel across the sub/glass surface than inward... My cakes that I crumbled after +5 days still had visible verm inside and pure white outsides...


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Re: PF TEK recipe for the best yield? [Re: Chasawah]
    #11323131 - 10/26/09 11:00 AM (8 years, 29 days ago)

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yeah i realize why you are saying that. but its basic knowledge that if the entire outside is colonized then the so is the middle. there is much less surface area on the inside of the jar than on the outer surface.




If you noc onto the glass at an angle it could be easyer to travel across the sub/glass surface than inward... My cakes that I crumbled after +5 days still had visible verm inside and pure white outsides...




there was a contam in the middle of your cake then. happens to me all the time. i usually toss those. it might not look contaminated but it should have colonized.


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Re: PF TEK recipe for the best yield? [Re: prismism]
    #11323136 - 10/26/09 11:03 AM (8 years, 29 days ago)

Its putting off nice fruit... and smelled great.


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Re: PF TEK recipe for the best yield? [Re: Chasawah]
    #11323152 - 10/26/09 11:09 AM (8 years, 29 days ago)

i think youre missing the point here son.
the reason you wait the week of consolidation is not so that the middle of the cake can finish colonizing. it is to let the mycellium network get better established and digest nutrients and get ready to fruit.
the reason you dont wait that extra week when you are spawning to bulk is because you want that mycellium to continue in the same colonizing state so that it will colonize your bulk better.


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Re: PF TEK recipe for the best yield? [Re: prismism]
    #11323162 - 10/26/09 11:13 AM (8 years, 29 days ago)

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yeah i realize why you are saying that. but its basic knowledge that if the entire outside is colonized then the so is the middle. there is much less surface area on the inside of the jar than on the outer surface.




As the poster above me said, this is not necessarily true.  Even so, it couldn't hurt, considering that people have been known to get much better yields and much more potent yields as well from spawn they have let consolidate and even age far more than the recommended week.  As long as you keep it in a dark place so it doesn't pin, it should be good.  That's something that's not too well documented, but the people who have tried it have reported success, so that's something you might want to look into.

In terms of a recipe for pf cakes for better yield, there's a recipe that is used commonly over at mycotopia, and also by some members here, although the recipe is not really mentioned much around here.  It's called the "super cake" formula.  Here's what it looks like:


"i use
lake water
with 2 tablespoons of liquid kelp extract added per gallon
i toss a cup of worm castings  in a 2.5 gallon jug with that
and let it brew a couple days

> a batch = 12 half pints

each batch gets 4 heaping cups vermiculite  , medium horticultural grade.
2 heaping cups coarse freshly ground rice
2 level cups lake water 'tea'

then i add

1 teaspoon of nutritional yeast,
1 tablespoon bee pollen,
1 tablespoon flax seed
1 tablespoon shredded coconut meat/flour
1 tablespoon blue corn meal
1 tablespoon coarse yellow corn meal
1 tablespoon of powdered/ground kelp meal
1 tablespoon of cottonseed meal

and mix well"

http://forums.mycotopia.net/supercakes-brf-aka-pf-tek/5009-hippies-supercake-formula.html


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Re: PF TEK recipe for the best yield? [Re: libertaire]
    #11323193 - 10/26/09 11:26 AM (8 years, 29 days ago)

prismism, in most cases it will be absolutely fine, but for a new  grower  that wants to rip the top of  their jars just as  soon as its 100% its safer just to wait a few days....i never said  a week as you keep posting,  i  just said a few days.

I can remember the first time i grew cakes and pulled the top off 1 particular jar to find some of the cake not colonized beneath the verm layer, i thought nothing of it and scraped it off and put in my fruiting chamber....losing it to contams later was an awful feeling after  all the effort.


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Re: PF TEK recipe for the best yield? [Re: Zed]
    #11323236 - 10/26/09 11:40 AM (8 years, 29 days ago)

i would always wait a few days if crumbling... better safe than sorry.. i have crumbled cakes that had 100% visible growth and the center was still not touched by the myc. brf is really prone to contams when exposed.. so waiting the extra days would prove beneficial if you have any doubts.

also cakes that have started to pin invitro can be used as spawn with success


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