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Organic hemp straw
    #1131637 - 12/11/02 12:54 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Anyone tried this stuff for substrate? Any opinions? I'm thinking it's got to worth a try.



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Re: Organic hemp straw [Re: Mr Wobblehead]
    #1131649 - 12/11/02 01:04 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

If anything, a casing layer.
But not substrate, it seems it doesn?t have any nutritional value.
But I would give it a shot as a casing layer.


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Re: Organic hemp straw [Re: TeKn0]
    #1131766 - 12/11/02 08:22 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Organic hemp straw [Re: MicronMagick]
    #1132100 - 12/11/02 11:09 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

No,
Hence the word "seems".
Why would you bed your pet with something that would harbour any type of contaminate anyway.


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Re: Organic hemp straw [Re: TeKn0]
    #1132109 - 12/11/02 11:19 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

They bed animals with Straw all the time.

And Straw has nutritional value.

They change the animals bedding on a regular basis....at least they should.



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Re: Organic hemp straw [Re: Roadkill]
    #1132178 - 12/11/02 11:42 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Don?t they use straw for large animals, such as horses and cows and shit like that, not birds, reptiles, etc...?
Would it not be allot more logical to get some coco coir instead of subjecting you and your animal to would be contaminates.
I just think that any animal bedding (with the exception of straw) would probably make a better casing layer than substrate layer unless you added more nutrients somehow, or maybe used it as spawn if it has enough nutritional value to support mycelium on it's own.
Wouldn?t it be a bitch having to change your bedding so often as not to get contams, he says that its 500% absorbent, well that alone raises a red flag for contams, if in the case it does have any nutrient value.


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Re: Organic hemp straw [Re: TeKn0]
    #1132235 - 12/11/02 12:02 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

It's not me that's saying that. That's the actual advert i got from a website.

As far as i'm aware hemp is a very nutritious stuff. And straw is used as small pet bedding. My local pet store sells it for such.

I also can't see the problem with what you're saying about harbouring contaminants. It only has to be sterilised.

I suppose the only way to find out is to give it a go when my millet's colonised. If it works great, if not then we'll learn something. I'm not very experienced with casings and that stuff, but from what i've read many types of mushrooms use all sorts of different things as substrates. Maybe hemp might be of some use with some of them.

I'll give it a go on my Eq's and see what happens with them and let you all know.


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Re: Organic hemp straw [Re: Mr Wobblehead]
    #1132265 - 12/11/02 12:16 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Go for it.
I was saying that if it is very nutritious, that to use it for a small animal would be a hassle, because you would get allot of contams in your aquarium or whatever, it would be like putting some BRF or soaked millet inside your aquarium, and seeing what happens.
Unless it harbors bacteria that helps to protect the mycelium from other contams like pasteurized compost does.
Good luck though, I hope you prove me wrong. :wink:
 


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Re: Organic hemp straw [Re: TeKn0]
    #1132406 - 12/11/02 01:07 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

the reason brf colonizes so quickly with mold, is because you're allowing no air exchange ( in jars). There's plenty of air exchange to stop contams dead in their tracks. Your application is jut not the same.


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Re: Organic hemp straw [Re: Raadt]
    #1132537 - 12/11/02 02:02 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

So your saying if I just left BRF or Soaked Millet just laying on the counter or in the terrarium, the air exchange will stop the contams dead in their tracks.
Wow, I'm just gonna have to do some jarless innoculations then.  :smirk:   


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Re: Organic hemp straw [Re: TeKn0]
    #1132570 - 12/11/02 02:21 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Tekno you ar making alot of incorrect assumtions. You could easily bed small animal with straw, it is not done because is a pain in the ass to deal with, not because of any inate nutrient value that it might have. Straw is no where no as nutritive as BRF or rye, or any other grain. Fungi are able to grow and fruit on straw because that can break down the complex cellulose that composes most of the material. Straw is pretty resistant to contams, evidenced by the fact that you can spawn pastuerized straw and it will not contaminant.

Now as to whether or not hemp straw can be used, I am not sure. It depends on how "green" it looks. If it looks like timothy hay, or alfalfa then I would avoid it. But, if it look more brown, like straw, I would give it a try.


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Re: Organic hemp straw [Re: TeKn0]
    #1132600 - 12/11/02 02:32 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Oh shit!
I thought that was Organic Hemp Compost, or something of that sort, I didnt see "staw".
Your right...!!!!!

Sorry for the BS.


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Re: Organic hemp straw [Re: TeKn0]
    #1132726 - 12/11/02 03:22 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

lmfaooooo @ u

and it wouldn't be used as a casing material....it would be a substrate.



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Re: Organic hemp straw [Re: Roadkill]
    #1132764 - 12/11/02 03:38 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Yes yes yes....
Everyone with the exception of me is right.
I was wondering why you brought up straw, now I know.
I thought he was talking about some kind of Coco coir substitute type reptile bedding shit.

So, yes it should work, unless there is high amounts of green alfalfa in it, which could cause problems.
You should do a grow log with this stuff, all of a sudden it sounds like a good idea???  :grin: 


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Re: Organic hemp straw [Re: TeKn0]
    #1133611 - 12/11/02 09:10 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Hemp bedding is used a lot to bed polo ponys
as its superiour to straw in many ways though
a bit more expensive.It takes longer to break down
is absorbent,and is also used as goat food in morrocco
so it should hold a few nutrients.


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Re: Organic hemp straw [Re: G a n j a]
    #1133662 - 12/11/02 09:49 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

From my experience I`ve found hemp`s cell walls to be way to thick to break down at the rate that is required for substrate colonisation.
So either contamination sets in quickly or you get it right and maintain a good moisture level.


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Re: Organic hemp straw [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #1133750 - 12/11/02 11:09 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

I`ve found hemp`s cell walls to be way to thick to break down at the rate that is required for substrate colonisation.



What type of shrooms did you use? I would have thought that if shrooms can break down wood chips they would have no problems with a little hemp straw.

Did you sterilise it or just pasturise it or what? I'm also thinking that if it is a little too tough, half an hour in the pressure cooker might make it work a little better. Any thoughts?


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Re: Organic hemp straw [Re: Mr Wobblehead]
    #1133870 - 12/12/02 12:38 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Or try to soak it, and then freeze it and see what it does to it, cellstructurewise..?!

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