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OfflineAlphaFalfa
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Would you still love your mother if....
    #11315616 - 10/25/09 01:25 AM (8 years, 6 hours ago)

She turned religious on you and attempted to convince you every time she saw you for a while even though you explained to her that she does not need to?


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Re: Would you still love your mother if.... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #11315699 - 10/25/09 01:38 AM (8 years, 5 hours ago)

I'm agnostic. My mother stopped trying since i was 14.

But anyway, if she insisted, of course i would still love her. Though ... I'm suspicious because i like the way she loves me.

Love exists only when it's felt in both ways ... or in many ways :wink:


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Re: Would you still love your mother if.... [Re: MAIA]
    #11316156 - 10/25/09 03:34 AM (8 years, 3 hours ago)

Really? WOW - I do not think I could. I have no special holding for my parents, besides emotional attachments that are painful if ripped apart to savagely, they are treated on the basis of my expectations of treatment, minus some stuff due to the emotional attachment and the fact that they do most things do to an inability to think.


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Re: Would you still love your mother if.... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #11316435 - 10/25/09 04:36 AM (8 years, 2 hours ago)

Ofcourse i'd love her. But that doesn't mean i'll do what pleases her. Quite on the contrary. Loving her means doing whatever i can to make sure she understands me the way i understand myself.
What i mean by that is that if she believes and wishes to convey that belief on me, but i don't wish or feel to adhere to such a belief then i must make her clear that i have a different approach to the meaning of life, or what reality is, or such... Believing what she wants me too out of love for her is not love imo, that is ignoring your own ideas and feelings. Believing what she wants me too because otherwise she'll give me no more love is something to do with myself, not her. It may mean that i depend upon her taking care for my feelings too much, or in case you are very young, that she is using her duty to take care of your feelings to make you do or believe what she wants. And that imo is cruel!

Take care...cause i care.:idea:


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Re: Would you still love your mother if.... [Re: Ahimsa]
    #11316558 - 10/25/09 05:15 AM (8 years, 2 hours ago)

Everyday is mothers day :wink:


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Re: Would you still love your mother if.... [Re: Xeny]
    #11316621 - 10/25/09 05:30 AM (8 years, 2 hours ago)

I think it is stupid to hypothesise things like 'imagine if person x did something that you can't imagine person x doing'... essentially you are asking 'do you love your mother simply because she is your mother, rather than because of her qualities?'

if my mother suddenly went evangelical, that would represent a total change in her character, and thus she would be a different person to the woman that I know and love now.


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Re: Would you still love your mother if.... [Re: Noteworthy]
    #11316784 - 10/25/09 07:16 AM (8 years, 15 minutes ago)

:congrats:


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Re: Would you still love your mother if.... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #11317313 - 10/25/09 11:19 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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She turned religious on you and attempted to convince you every time she saw you for a while even though you explained to her that she does not need to?




I would love her from afar.


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Re: Would you still love your mother if.... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #11318530 - 10/25/09 03:31 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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She turned religious on you and attempted to convince you every time she saw you for a while even though you explained to her that she does not need to?







Ask yourself this question. How do you pick your friends?


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Re: Would you still love your mother if.... [Re: Band of Gypsys]
    #11318544 - 10/25/09 03:34 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

There is also a thing which is called an unconditional love. It surpass things such as religious harassment, if I can call it that way. My whole family are very difficult people. And whatever wrongdoings they did to me, I still love them, not just because they are my family, but because they are human beings, and they need love... even if I think from time to time that they do not deserve it.


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Re: Would you still love your mother if.... [Re: ivander]
    #11318560 - 10/25/09 03:37 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I agree about unconditional love. However that doesn't mean you want all these people intimately in your life.


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Re: Would you still love your mother if.... [Re: Icelander]
    #11318579 - 10/25/09 03:40 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Agree. But I can't explain this same point to them. Right?


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Re: Would you still love your mother if.... [Re: ivander]
    #11318595 - 10/25/09 03:42 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Convincing others of something you believe can be an impossible task. :shrug:

Once you really realize you are a being who is going to die you will not waste time on those who don't feed your happy cells. No matter who they are.


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Re: Would you still love your mother if.... [Re: Icelander]
    #11318641 - 10/25/09 03:50 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Convincing others of something you believe can be an impossible task. :shrug:

Once you really realize you are a being who is going to die you will not waste time on those who don't feed your happy cells. No matter who they are.




if your love is based on whether or not a person stimulates your "happy cells" then its not love at all but selfish fulfillment

if theres one thing I've learned thus far in life its that love often involves pain and sacrifice, it involves doing things you don't really want to do sometimes to stimulate others happy cells :wink:


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Re: Would you still love your mother if.... [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11318713 - 10/25/09 04:01 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

That's my point I don't love people who don't serve my best interests whatever I choose those to be.

Best to be honest about not loving everyone, especially family and so called friends. Then one has a chance of having some sort of life.


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Re: Would you still love your mother if.... [Re: Icelander]
    #11318746 - 10/25/09 04:05 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Well, I don't think, that I should convince anyone anything, family included. I can present my way of conceiving things, and if others don't like it, then it could be either a problem or not. It gets even more complicated for me, because there may be things to say, that the others may not like, that is the problem. How to distinguish the selfish act in matters of love? Especially to those who don't know shit about free will, selfish ego desires, and even love.

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Icelander said:
Once you really realize you are a being who is going to die you will not waste time on those who don't feed your happy cells. No matter who they are.



I am saddened to say, that I this is in fact the most truthful sentence I've read recently. But I think if more people were to radiate love unconditionally, there would be more people which would receive it also. And the circle would remain constant. But when one realize, why should I do this, when I do not get anything in return, the circle breaks.... blah, humans are indeed wicked creatures.


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Re: Would you still love your mother if.... [Re: ivander]
    #11323782 - 10/26/09 01:40 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

blah, humans are indeed wicked creatures.

It's truly pointless to think about what everyone needs. It's just an unconscious distraction to keep us from facing this as a personal problem.

You don't have to be perfect.:monkeydance::satansmoking:


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Re: Would you still love your mother if.... [Re: Icelander]
    #11323948 - 10/26/09 02:09 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Right so for kickers, just had a thought about something i realized a while back that got sparked back up in this....

My definition of love: As a feeling, love motivates you stay where you are or go where you are not. Motivated to work out problems, make sure the communication is correct and a sense of agreement with a person.

Actions: Mental and physical actions attempt to compromise with a person when a problem arises. Ie. When someone you love says that they like things done a certain way, you will at least attempt to somewhat meet their request, even though it is not the way you do It is also pleasurable to do things that take your time. energy and resources, where as with someone you do not love, it would not be.

Unconditional love, because its become a part of this discussion refers to generating these feelings for another, even though they do not meet your expectations.
Personally, unconditional love does not work in my relationships and it would take considerable amounts of energy to attempt to generate these feelings for random people on the street, which would compromise how I experience and perform in my closer relationships...

I think the main reason why unconditional love does not work in my relationships is because people see it as a sign of fear and thus weakness...Since it is very difficult to convince them differently(forget people you see on a subway car for example) it will only communicate the wrong message to them.


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Re: Would you still love your mother if.... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #11324945 - 10/26/09 04:36 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

people are prone to take advantage of unconditional love

so its not easy thats for sure


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Re: Would you still love your mother if.... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #11331216 - 10/27/09 02:06 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I don't agree with your assessment of unconditional love. You somehow take it to mean that you must do anything someone else wants or you should let them walk all over your well being.

Unconditional love must also extend to the self or there is no reality to the term. I can find unconditional acceptance (I prefer the term acceptance) of those I don't particularly like or trust. I accept their purpose in being here to be as valid as mine. That never means I won't stop them cold if they threaten my well being.


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Edited by Icelander (10/27/09 02:07 PM)


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