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Do you believe in ghosts?
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Recently I've been watching a lot of halloween specials on the Travel Channel and such. I'm a naturally inquisitive person and a rational thinker (at least I like to think so). My use of psychedelics has only pushed me to question more and investigate the human mind and perception.

The people on these Halloween specials always talk about how they feel "ghosts" push them or brush against them or make noises such as laughter or screaming.

All I think about when I see this stuff is "the mind is a powerful thing"...

Opinions?:grin:

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Re: Do you believe in ghosts? [Re: cubies77]
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i have seen a live ghost form.

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Re: Do you believe in ghosts? [Re: elementswrath]
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I think its bullshit but thats just me.


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Re: Do you believe in ghosts? [Re: Triptonic]
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I think belief in ghosts follows the same pattern as all other things that are left unexplained.

Death is probably the spur of the most ridiculous beliefs, (religion, ghosts etc.)

Unknown + Humanity = Irrationality (until Unknown = Known)

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Re: Do you believe in ghosts? [Re: cubies77]
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ghosts are fake


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Para todos todo, para nosotros nada

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Re: Do you believe in ghosts? [Re: Lucidx]
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i have seen a live ghost form.


explain?

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Re: Do you believe in ghosts? [Re: cubies77]
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I'm trippin balls and I'll tell you right now that ghosts are bullshit


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Prisoner#1 said: I got my ass kicked by a 9yo when I was 17
Trippin? Click Me




What is life? I'm tired of life...

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Re: Do you believe in ghosts? [Re: cubies77]
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when i was a kid and at night at the same time as every other night.
a blue outline of a man with red glowing eyes would walk to my open door just standing there naked (yes,balls and everything) and looking at me.
this happens every night i was in bed.

maybe it's not a "ghost" but it was sure something.

i swear on my life i am not lying.

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Re: Do you believe in ghosts? [Re: Anthony917]
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Until I undeniably feel or see something I absolutely cannot explain, I'll refrain from using "magic" and "ghost" in my vocabulary.


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Where would you rather be?

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Re: Do you believe in ghosts? [Re: Mykologist]
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i swear on my life i am not lying.


Oh, I believe you. I just wonder about the validity of your sight in the situation.

"Seeing" something is not proof of existence, because sight is an interpretation of receptors in the brain and the image you see can be mistaken for reality.

I just don't like to take things at face value, even if whatever you see/feel/hear/ seems real

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Re: Do you believe in ghosts? [Re: cubies77]
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how would that work?
it's the only time i saw such a thing.(okay i have seen other things but it always depends on the place and is never the same.)
and it was the same being every night and i haven't seen anything weird when i moved out of the house.
and it's at the same time on the clock too.
explain how it could be a eyes folly?

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Re: Do you believe in ghosts? [Re: cubies77]
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I am a skeptic.

  But, I am of the opinion that "ghosts" are SOME kind of actual phenomena.... EVPs, the video, Mediums getting acurate answers, ouiji boards.......... There is enough "evidence" to suggest that SOMETHING is going on..... but not enough to CONVINCE me that it is dead people.

  I have seen those wierd shows, and know some people who say they have seen ghosts, and my questioning doesnt waver their adamancy on the subject........ So, I believe they believe what they saw.

Demons...... thats the one that always gets me, Either..... it is in your head....... or its in your head. You wouldnt know if it was a demon or not.

Ghosts.... meh, get a voice recorder and run some EVPs. :tongue2:

I would say we could write it all off to the fear of the unkown and tricks of the mind..... But, by doing that, I think we miss out on some of the available possibilities of research into those fringe fields. And.... I dont like that idea at all.

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Re: Do you believe in ghosts? [Re: cubies77]
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I pretty much agree with everything said above me, I have no reason to believe in ghosts as I have never seen anything to lead me to believe they exist.

But I wont say for sure that they dont exist because I cant prove that either..

and OP I do agree with you when you say the mind is a powerful thing.


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The world is so exquisite with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there's little good evidence. Far better it seems to me, in our vulnerability, is to look death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides.

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Re: Do you believe in ghosts? [Re: Shad0w]
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Quote:
explain how it could be a eyes folly?


-Your mind tricks you once into "seeing" this being
-You glance at the clock after seeing it
-You return the next night to the same place
-Your brain recognizes the situation and reproduces sensory reactions you previously experienced (but makes you think its real every time)

Also, you say it was the only time you saw it, but it happened every night. How does that work?

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Re: Do you believe in ghosts? [Re: The Demiurge]
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The Demiurge said:
I pretty much agree with everything said above me, I have no reason to believe in ghosts as I have never seen anything to lead me to believe they exist.

But I wont say for sure that they dont exist because I cant prove that either..

and OP I do agree with you when you say the mind is a powerful thing.


I feel the same way in regards to religion as well.

Honestly, I would love to live in a world of ghosts, vampires, zombies, etc. but my experiences so far have not led me to believe in any of those.

I think it's irrational to believe 100% that they exist, while it is equally irrational to believe 100% that they do not.

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Re: Do you believe in ghosts? [Re: cubies77]
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Ghosts? No, not until I see proof.


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Re: Do you believe in ghosts? [Re: cubies77]
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cubies77 said:
The Demiurge said:
I pretty much agree with everything said above me, I have no reason to believe in ghosts as I have never seen anything to lead me to believe they exist.

But I wont say for sure that they dont exist because I cant prove that either..

and OP I do agree with you when you say the mind is a powerful thing.


I feel the same way in regards to religion as well.

Honestly, I would love to live in a world of ghosts, vampires, zombies, etc. but my experiences so far have not led me to believe in any of those.

I think it's irrational to believe 100% that they exist, while it is equally irrational to believe 100% that they do not.



I was thinking about throwing religion in with that statement as well, as I share the same viewpoint on it as with ghosts and other unexplainable occurences


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The world is so exquisite with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there's little good evidence. Far better it seems to me, in our vulnerability, is to look death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides.

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Re: Do you believe in ghosts? [Re: cubies77]
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cubies77 said:
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explain how it could be a eyes folly?


-Your mind tricks you once into "seeing" this being
-You glance at the clock after seeing it
-You return the next night to the same place
-Your brain recognizes the situation and reproduces sensory reactions you previously experienced (but makes you think its real every time)

Also, you say it was the only time you saw it, but it happened every night. How does that work?


when i said the only time i saw such a such a thing i meant that i have never seen it else were.
i guess i mis said it.
it could be why i seen it more than once but it doesn't explain why i have seen it the first time.
it's not like i was thinking about blue naked man with red eyes did i?

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Re: Do you believe in ghosts? [Re: elementswrath]
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Quote:
it's not like i was thinking about blue naked man with red eyes did i?


That's where your subconscious comes in. Sure, it wasn't in the front of your brain but everyone has frights buried in their subconscious just waiting for the right moment to jump out and scare the shit out of them.

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Re: Do you believe in ghosts? [Re: cubies77]
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cubies77 said:
Quote:
it's not like i was thinking about blue naked man with red eyes did i?


That's where your subconscious comes in. Sure, it wasn't in the front of your brain but everyone has frights buried in their subconscious just waiting for the right moment to jump out and scare the shit out of them.


i would love to see the sources of your neuro knowledge.:rolleyes:
i admit i was a bit frightened at the strange blue being but wasn't really that scared.
i am gonna look up these things on google.

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Re: Do you believe in ghosts? [Re: elementswrath]
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i would love to see the sources of your neuro knowledge.


I don't claim to have any "neuro knowledge", it's just common sense (to me at least).

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i am gonna look up these things on google.


Please share your findings!

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Re: Do you believe in ghosts? [Re: elementswrath]
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elementswrath said:
when i was a kid and at night at the same time as every other night.
a blue outline of a man with red glowing eyes would walk to my open door just standing there naked (yes,balls and everything) and looking at me.
this happens every night i was in bed.

maybe it's not a "ghost" but it was sure something.

i swear on my life i am not lying.


How old were you?

I have memories as a child that are extremely vague and would lead me to believe strange things like that, but I know memories aren't that reliable, and get even more unreliable as time passes.

Maybe your dad was fucking with you.  Sorry you had to see his sac, though.. and to have it engraved in your memory like that.


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Re: Do you believe in ghosts? [Re: hoboblues]
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hoboblues said:
elementswrath said:
when i was a kid and at night at the same time as every other night.
a blue outline of a man with red glowing eyes would walk to my open door just standing there naked (yes,balls and everything) and looking at me.
this happens every night i was in bed.

maybe it's not a "ghost" but it was sure something.

i swear on my life i am not lying.


How old were you?

I have memories as a child that are extremely vague and would lead me to believe strange things like that, but I know memories aren't that reliable, and get even more unreliable as time passes.

Maybe your dad was fucking with you.  Sorry you had to see his sac, though.. and to have it engraved in your memory like that.


but it happened every night for almost a year....i still see it as it was yesterday.
plus it was red eyes and blue outlined and his body was also blue.

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