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OfflineTri High
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President Obama declares national state of emergency: H1N1
    #11313230 - 10/24/09 06:18 PM (8 years, 26 days ago)

Aside from the following article, I am watching a documentary (the 2nd one found here:  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9343220) and at the current part I'm at it says,

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Executive Order #11921:  Provides that the president can declare a state of emergency which is not defined, and which congress cannot review for six months.




I created this post as a sort of head's up, but also as a discussion tool.  Is 1000 deaths really an emergency?  It's estimated that 36,000 people die yearly from regular seasonal flu. 

Granted the average flu season begins in Nov. and ends in April, should we worry about it as much as it's been hyped up?

Is this swine flu really such a concern, if we are eat healthy and take care of ourselves?  Survival of the fittest, or is not getting vaccinated really the dumb thing to do?

I think that our bodies can take care of themselves with proper maintenance.  Of course, elderly and newborns are at risk, but that's just nature's course. 



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The proclamation, which Obama signed on Friday night, will make it easier for U.S. medical facilities to handle a surge in flu patients by allowing the waiver of some requirements of Medicare, Medicaid and other federal health insurance programs as needed, the White House said in a statement. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=114132895

WASHINGTON, Oct. 24 (AP) - (Kyodo)—U.S. President Barack Obama has declared a national emergency to prevent the spread of the new influenza, the White House said Saturday.

Under the declaration, government agencies, companies and individuals will be required to strengthen preventive measures to cope with the rapidly spreading H1N1 flu.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Friday the death toll in the United States from the new flu has topped 1,000 since the outbreak of the disease in April. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

By PHILIP ELLIOTT, Associated Press Writer Philip Elliott, Associated Press Writer – 7 mins ago

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama declared the swine flu outbreak a national emergency and empowered his health secretary to suspend federal requirements and speed treatment for thousands of infected people.

The declaration that Obama signed late Friday authorized Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to bypass federal rules so health officials can respond more quickly to the outbreak, which has killed more than 1,000 people in the United States.

The goal is to remove bureaucratic roadblocks and make it easier for sick people to seek treatment and medical providers to provide it immediately. That could mean fewer hurdles involving Medicare, Medicaid or health privacy regulations.

"As a nation, we have prepared at all levels of government, and as individuals and communities, taking unprecedented steps to counter the emerging pandemic," Obama wrote in the declaration, which the White House announced Saturday.

He said the pandemic keeps evolving, the rates of illness are rising rapidly in many areas and there's a potential "to overburden health care resources."





http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091024/...bama_swine_flu

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Re: President Obama declares national state of emergency: H1N1 [Re: Tri High]
    #11313249 - 10/24/09 06:20 PM (8 years, 26 days ago)

I'm not sure if it is necessary or not, but the prudent part of me says it's not a bad idea. Any temporary arrangement which can increase the ability of hospitals and clinics to deal with a potential massive increase in illness is ok with me.


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Re: President Obama declares national state of emergency: H1N1 [Re: Redstorm]
    #11313306 - 10/24/09 06:31 PM (8 years, 26 days ago)

It's because it's a lot more virulent than seasonal flu, and is the dominant form of flu this year. It seems like it's spreading like wildfire up north, and a lot of people here have been getting sick and dying too. I still think it is more virulent than deadly, however.

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Any temporary arrangement which can increase the ability of hospitals and clinics to deal with a potential massive increase in illness is ok with me.




THIS. It is mostly about allowing federal funding to hospitals who build a tent up to I think 400 yards away or more, the old limit for funding was within 200 yards...this allows more temporary setups if needed and larger numbers of them (because of the larger area they are allowed in).


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Re: President Obama declares national state of emergency: H1N1 [Re: Redstorm]
    #11313658 - 10/24/09 07:33 PM (8 years, 26 days ago)

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Redstorm said:
I'm not sure if it is necessary or not, but the prudent part of me says it's not a bad idea. Any temporary arrangement which can increase the ability of hospitals and clinics to deal with a potential massive increase in illness is ok with me.





the hospitals dont have a problem, until they cant get the vaccines from
the manufacturer, then what, obama declares another state of emergency
and creates more by way of executive order?

I went with my mom to a doctor yesterday, a lady came in asking for a
flu shot, seems they've been out for a month and they have another 3
weeks or more of back order before more will be delivered, if there is
no supply it doesnt matter what the demand is or what some dumbass in
the white house does to hurry things along


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Re: President Obama declares national state of emergency: H1N1 [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #11313824 - 10/24/09 08:06 PM (8 years, 26 days ago)

Vaccines don't do anything for somebody who already has it.


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Re: President Obama declares national state of emergency: H1N1 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11313871 - 10/24/09 08:15 PM (8 years, 26 days ago)

the vaccines inoculate you with the virus so once you have the vaccine, you have it


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Re: President Obama declares national state of emergency: H1N1 [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #11313904 - 10/24/09 08:19 PM (8 years, 26 days ago)

Vaccines are for faggots and old ladies. Give me some good ole Robetussin and I'm good. Oh, and to stay on topic, Obama sucks.


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Re: President Obama declares national state of emergency: H1N1 [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #11314204 - 10/24/09 09:15 PM (8 years, 26 days ago)

The FluMist vaccine is an actual contagious live virus.

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Re: President Obama declares national state of emergency: H1N1 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11314337 - 10/24/09 09:43 PM (8 years, 26 days ago)

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the vaccines inoculate you with the virus so once you have the vaccine, you have it



Let me rephrase:

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zappaisgod said:
Vaccines don't do anything for somebody who already has it is already sick.




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Re: President Obama declares national state of emergency: H1N1 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11314358 - 10/24/09 09:46 PM (8 years, 26 days ago)

Well,
If you're already sick and you get a vaccine they could be giving you a different, non-evolved (mutated) form of the virus.

Thus it's like a double whammy.  And that would be doing something.


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Re: President Obama declares national state of emergency: H1N1 [Re: Tri High]
    #11315040 - 10/24/09 11:35 PM (8 years, 26 days ago)

Nice test run. :wink:


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Re: President Obama declares national state of emergency: H1N1 [Re: kydelic]
    #11315286 - 10/25/09 12:24 AM (8 years, 26 days ago)

As some
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kydelic said:
It's because it's a lot more virulent than seasonal flu, and is the dominant form of flu this year. It seems like it's spreading like wildfire up north, and a lot of people here have been getting sick and dying too. I still think it is more virulent than deadly.





From personal experience, as someone who comes into contacts with hundreds of people daily in the North East, this flu is no more of a problem than any other season.

Has any legitimate, non sensational, research backed up this claim of it being more virulent and deadly?


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Re: President Obama declares national state of emergency: H1N1 [Re: Deekay]
    #11315597 - 10/25/09 01:22 AM (8 years, 26 days ago)

My understanding is that it is more virulent, but the symptoms are actually less severe than "regular" flu.


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Re: President Obama declares national state of emergency: H1N1 [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #11323592 - 10/26/09 01:01 PM (8 years, 25 days ago)

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My understanding is that it is more virulent, but the symptoms are actually less severe than "regular" flu.




That's what it seems like, but it for some reason is more deadly in those that are usually not affected too badly by seasonal flu (non-old people).

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From personal experience, as someone who comes into contacts with hundreds of people daily in the North East, this flu is no more of a problem than any other season.




I just got that from local papers reporting on a lot of high schools being closed down because of high flu absences :shrug: 97% of flu cases reported at my uni were swine flu, but it is easily treatable (right now), and that doesn't reflect on the school population. I've still known a lot of people who have gotten sick from it already.


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Re: President Obama declares national state of emergency: H1N1 [Re: kydelic]
    #11323659 - 10/26/09 01:17 PM (8 years, 25 days ago)

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..but it for some reason is more deadly in those that are usually not affected too badly by seasonal flu (non-old people).




Otherwise known as "young people". :tongue:

Young people are more at risk from this type of flu as they are less likely to have encountered a similar virus in their lifetime and they also have healthier immune systems which ironically works against them since it can overreact to the infection with lethal consequences.


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Re: President Obama declares national state of emergency: H1N1 [Re: zorbman]
    #11324505 - 10/26/09 03:32 PM (8 years, 24 days ago)

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Otherwise known as "young people".


:lol:

Well I was going to add infants and stuff to that but decided against it for whatever reason


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