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Sinicuichi & Jasmine Questions
    #11312760 - 10/24/09 05:12 PM (8 years, 1 day ago)

I ordered 28 grams of Sinicuichi (sun opener) and 114 grams of jasmine from BBB.

Does anyone have any experience with sinicuichi? I plan to add 5g of Sun opener to a 1 1/2 cup of water and mix in some jasmine so it doesn't taste like crap, boil it then let it steep for 24 hours.

How long does the yellow tint and enhanced memory last after the initial euphoria and hallucinations?

Also, do sinicuichi seeds grow in the foliage, is there any chance that I could find useable seeds in the 28 grams I bought?


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Re: Sinicuichi & Jasmine Questions [Re: Lucidx]
    #11312889 - 10/24/09 05:30 PM (8 years, 1 day ago)

I'm still building up to an active dose, but the seed pods do grow between leaves of the plant, on the tips of the branches.

Pods are about the size of a cherry pit. They are thin, hollow, and full of tiny, yellow seeds, much smaller than sesame - almost powdery. A large percentage will germinate if surface-sown, onto a wet medium, such as sphagnum.


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Re: Sinicuichi & Jasmine Questions [Re: Lucidx]
    #11312910 - 10/24/09 05:33 PM (8 years, 1 day ago)

Seeds are in the pods. Let it sit in the sun if you can.


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Re: Sinicuichi & Jasmine Questions [Re: tenacioustornado]
    #11312980 - 10/24/09 05:42 PM (8 years, 1 day ago)

I have some heimia salicifolia seeds laying around, have yet to plant them though, so I don't have any first hand experience. But, I would approach with caution, as I've heard stories of people getting some rather unpleasant side-effects from ingesting Sinicuichi (particularly severe muscle pains). I believe there are some reports describing this on Erowid.

Starting out slowly is probably a good idea. :smile:


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Re: Sinicuichi & Jasmine Questions [Re: sower]
    #11313026 - 10/24/09 05:48 PM (8 years, 1 day ago)

I'm wondering whether the fermentation procedure helps prevent cramping.


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Re: Sinicuichi & Jasmine Questions [Re: durian_2008]
    #11313062 - 10/24/09 05:53 PM (8 years, 1 day ago)

Would moist dirt & manure work because I already have a flower pot prep'd with that.

Edit: Sower, yeah I'm only using 4 or 5 grams because thats about half what the default dosage was that I read about. I'm mostly just hoping for the vision tint, it sounds awesome.


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Re: Sinicuichi & Jasmine Questions [Re: Lucidx]
    #11313174 - 10/24/09 06:08 PM (8 years, 1 day ago)

If the manure stays damp in your climate, it will certainly work.


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Re: Sinicuichi & Jasmine Questions [Re: Lucidx]
    #11313211 - 10/24/09 06:14 PM (8 years, 1 day ago)

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Would moist dirt & manure work because I already have a flower pot prep'd with that.




That should work fine. It's not particularly hard to grow from what I've heard. Just sprinkle the seeds on to the soil after watering, and keep it somewhat moist. They also require a lot of light to germinate.


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Re: Sinicuichi & Jasmine Questions [Re: Lucidx]
    #11313270 - 10/24/09 06:24 PM (8 years, 1 day ago)

I don't think Jasmine tea would be healthy.
I never heard of it being used as a tea. :crazy:


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Re: Sinicuichi & Jasmine Questions [Re: felixhigh]
    #11313325 - 10/24/09 06:37 PM (8 years, 1 day ago)

whats jasmine used as then lol, I just bought it because it was a familiar name


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Re: Sinicuichi & Jasmine Questions [Re: felixhigh]
    #11313349 - 10/24/09 06:41 PM (8 years, 1 day ago)

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I don't think Jasmine tea would be healthy.
I never heard of it being used as a tea. :crazy:





Though one species of jasmine is used in curare, we buy jasmine scented tea from the dollar store.

Also, there is a rice dish, which is flavored with jasmine blossoms, very carefully, so as not to ruin the volatile oils.

I'd have to say that jasmine is a much subtler taste than sinicuichi, which I found to be even more bitter than wormwood.

Having tasted the fresh leaves of sinicuichi, I'm wondering whether the fermentation procedure helps with the bitterness, as well as the side effects.

About a handful of sinicuichi leaves is placed in an unknown quantity of water, and is allowed to steep in the sun for a bout a day. The liquid is drunk and smoked with about a handful of dried foliage at the same time.

(The same procedure has been recommended for Zacatechichi, also.)


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Re: Sinicuichi & Jasmine Questions [Re: durian_2008]
    #11313381 - 10/24/09 06:48 PM (8 years, 1 day ago)

I think sinicuichi's flavor is very dependant on the opinion of the person drinking it, I've read in places that the fermented tea tasted horrible and also that the fermented tea tasted mild and pretty good.

I don't plan on smoking it, that always proves to be a poor method of ingestion and I'm starting off with a low dose so that I get minimal effects and side effects so I can get a feel for it, then I'll try something heavier.

I'm wondering if chewing it would produce better results.

But again, why isn't jasmine good for tea? Kinda scared me a little.


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Re: Sinicuichi & Jasmine Questions [Re: Lucidx]
    #11313427 - 10/24/09 06:57 PM (8 years, 1 day ago)

Jasmine is used in tea in China (Jasmine flower tea), and maybe other places too. Though, that's basically a green or white tea with Jasmine flowers in it. Either way, I wouldn't say that Jasmine is unsuited for tea. :wink:


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Re: Sinicuichi & Jasmine Questions [Re: Lucidx]
    #11313453 - 10/24/09 07:00 PM (8 years, 1 day ago)

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I think sinicuichi's flavor is very dependant on the opinion of the person drinking it, I've read in places that the fermented tea tasted horrible and also that the fermented tea tasted mild and pretty good.

I don't plan on smoking it, that always proves to be a poor method of ingestion and I'm starting off with a low dose so that I get minimal effects and side effects so I can get a feel for it, then I'll try something heavier.

I'm wondering if chewing it would produce better results.

But again, why isn't jasmine good for tea? Kinda scared me a little.



I haven't tasted the fermented tea. Only the fresh leaves, or a little smoke.

I start by tee-totalling and am only a beginner.


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Re: Sinicuichi & Jasmine Questions [Re: durian_2008]
    #11313527 - 10/24/09 07:11 PM (8 years, 1 day ago)

Well I don't drink alcohol in the first place so that's not a problem.

I wonder if the condition of the foliage matters, I'm fairly certain it will be dried foliage (ordered from BBB)


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Re: Sinicuichi & Jasmine Questions [Re: Lucidx]
    #11317493 - 10/25/09 12:19 PM (8 years, 9 hours ago)

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I start by tee-totalling and am only a beginner.



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Lucidx said:
Well I don't drink alcohol in the first place so that's not a problem.



Figure of speech. I am slowly trying more and more Sinicuichi, in order to see how well I tolerate it.

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Lucidx said:
I'm wondering if chewing it would produce better results.



Again, the recommended dosage is one handful of fermented leaves, AND one handful of smoked leaves, TOGETHER. (Alot.)

I am not qualified to speak regarding the cramping:
- Is cramping only caused by leaves from an unknown source?
- Is cramping only caused by unfermented leaves, when swallowed?
- Did someone combine a sedative with a stimulant?

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But again, why isn't jasmine good for tea? Kinda scared me a little.



Most people know them only as landscaping plants.

The flower tincture is used commercially, in moderation. You are expected to eat it.

Even the smell is useful:
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Therapeutic properties of jasmine: Antidepressant; relaxes nerves, relieves muscle spasms and cramping

Uses for jasmine: Jasmine sedates the nervous system, so it is good for jangled nerves, headaches, insomnia, and depression and for taking the emotional edge off PMS and menopause, although keep in mind its age-old reputation as an aphrodisiac!

http://health.howstuffworks.com/aromatherapy-jasmine.htm




Compare those effects to sinicuichi:
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euphoric, general relaxation and pleasant drowsiness effects. The genus is currently being investigated for its anti-inflammatory properties.

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?s=016f068ce711e0c4308f158f3980b267&t=18010




Provided that you trust your sources, I see an opportunity for harmless synergism. :thumbup:

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