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The Group Mind At Concerts
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Is this shit just in my head (meaning I'm probably a borderline paranoid schizophrenic) or is this a real thing?

I was at a show last night and I swear that I was feeding the energy into the band which kept them playing and everyone was in my head...I was stoned as fuck, and on E (which had meth in it I think)...


What do you think?

Higher state of awareness and communication

or Paranoia from social anxiety and meth/pot/E???


I swear that shit was real.


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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: JackofSpades]
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In a way, you are, because how into it you, the audience, is, determines how the band plays, usually.


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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: JackofSpades]
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Hell yeah it was real..

I remember seeing Umphrey's McGee on some crazy mushrooms and kept thinking that they were tapping in to my mind, stealing my thoughts, and sonically playing my thoughts out loud. They are a trip to see. There style is fast, slaying, jammy, spacy, slow, etc. all at once in every song.

But I've also been to a lot of larger festival shows and huge venue shows where the large majority of people are on some sort of psychedelic. All of a sudden the band will switch it up and go from a upbeat funky tune into a sorrowful ballad or something like that and you can literally feel the air in the venue go kind of cold.. The energy dies out and people kind of lull about until the song ends and something picks up the mood..

In my opinion concerts are as much a group collective experience "band and audience together, united as one" as it is an individual or small group (the friends you came with) experience. Really good talented bands realize this observation as well.. Bands that put themselves in there with the crowd are the best to go and see. If the band seems detached from the audience it never feels as good

Music is good stuff


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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: kydelic]
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yeah but to what extent?

Robert Anton Wilson talks about the mind being able to convince itself of anything. Was I just convincing myself of something or did other people share the same experience?


Of course, I'm afraid to ask because I don't want anyone to think I'm a paranoid psychotic :rolleyes:


Was this just me or is this a common phenomenon


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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: JackofSpades]
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It's common and people have been experiencing transcendent states within the collective mind since the dawn of time.  I'm glad you had that experience!  Sounds great.

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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: JackofSpades]
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JackofSpades said:
Is this shit just in my head


Yes


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And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: MOTH]
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Eh. It kind of freaked me out.

I couldn't really relax and I was uptight as fuck. It seemed like everyone could tell and it was kind of humiliating in a way. However, I think that it really pushed me to fuel all my energy into the show and truly pour my soul out.

I certainly became one with everyone around me.


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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: JackofSpades]
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Sadly no one else can give you any credible answers for such a personal experience, and I'd be weary about believing your own.

I'm going to say it has to do with the..
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I was stoned as fuck, and on E (which had meth in it I think)...


If you have a similar experience when you hadn't already taken drugs, then maybe you'd have something to go off of.

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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: JackofSpades]
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I would say the intersubjective aspect of consciousness is no less primary than individual subjectivity.  An integral part of our being is being-toward-others.  Consciousness is primarily relational, whether that be relation to our environment or to other sentient beings.  In fact, our very identity is largely composed of a complex network of relations.


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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: JackofSpades]
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Of course, I'm afraid to ask because I don't want anyone to think I'm a paranoid psychotic


Well, that's no fun.

Just talk in circles and use the smirk emoticon...:smirk:

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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: JackofSpades]
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Years ago, I was at a winery and saw a piano under a tarp on a small stage. I peeled back the cover to expose a beautiful, black Yamaha grand piano.

I sat down and started noodling. I was mildly inebreiated having had maybe two or three glasses of wine. The mini grass amphitheatre was mostly empty, so I got emboldened and started playing more forcefully and really got into improvising. I got lost in my own world for a bit then looked around to see maybe two dozen people had sat down to listen. I took note of no particular person. After about 40 minutes of jamming, I closed the lid and replaced the tarp and was walking away.

A fine-looking young lady approached me and said something like, "I felt you were playing directly to me." As I was looking away from the audience and had felt nothing from the crowd, it was hard to take her comment as anything more than projection or flirtation.


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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I have some video of that night.



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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: JackofSpades]
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What do you think

you  was stoned as fuck, and on E (which had meth in it I think)...


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: Icelander]
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I have no fucking clue what to believe anymore.

Has anyone here ever experienced anything like this before.


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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: JackofSpades]
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Yes, it is all in your head and it is real. I've experienced the collectivity you speak of, to the point where Trey from Phish was actually playing the notes we all anticipated with an unmistakable reaction from the crowd, it was a jam so we couldn't have known what was coming but we did. Also, many stadiums and churches are built on 'ley lines' for the purpose of 'harvesting' this collective emotional energy.

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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: JackofSpades]
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Many times.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: Icelander]
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so what exactly is going on with it?


Is everyone reading everyone's mind and then dictating the music based off of the vibes sent out?


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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: JackofSpades]
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It just feels that way when stoned IMO. It's really not like that or you could do it without the drugs and all the time.

The brain is pretty good at working these little tricks. It's a pretty sophisticated machine. More sophisticated then the personality by itself.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: Icelander]
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So its more along the lines of the mind just picking up on mental vibrations from others and moving in harmony with them (musically and with dance)? As opposed to people verbally entering one another's mental thought processes and ideas?

I'm sort of paranoid that people were reading my mind when it was probably more just more reading vibes?


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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: JackofSpades]
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In this interview with Charlie Rose, Trey mentions he once decided to 'play' his hallucinations and the crowd went wild, as if they were seeing the same thing.


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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: JackofSpades]
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So its more along the lines of the mind just picking up on mental vibrations from others and moving in harmony with them (musically and with dance)? As opposed to people verbally entering one another's mental thought processes and ideas?



yes indeed,

course many folk need to believe it's something magical.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: Middleman]
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So I guess my question is, how much was I central in this? It just seemed to me like I was in control of everything,not so much the group but more me. It seemed like I overtook the group mind and was able to control it on my own.

Thats just what it seemed like...Is this probable? Or did it just appear that way to me?


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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: JackofSpades]
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'I' is not what most people think it is.

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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: Middleman]
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can you clarify? This whole situation has bugged the shit out of me.


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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: JackofSpades]
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JackofSpades said:
can you clarify? This whole situation has bugged the shit out of me.


The 'I' that is thinking and in control is composed of countless social relations and experiences that have gone into forming that self.


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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: JackofSpades]
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JackofSpades said:
can you clarify? This whole situation has bugged the shit out of me.


And now you want to know what to think.
You're only going to draw your own conclusion anyways, so perhaps some time and critical thinking are the best help to you.

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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: Tropism]
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Perhaps its best just to not understand things and enjoy them for what they're worth.


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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: JackofSpades]
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:thumbup:

We'll never understand, this is something to accept. Enjoy the ride.

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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: Tropism]
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Jack of Spades, I don't think people's responses here have been too accurate. It is not a matter of true or not true... because it is in part true and in part false.
What is true is that you were an integral part of the concert. What is false is that you in particular played any special role in the experience or energy of the crowd as a whole. It was the musicians who were playing the special role. However, the synchronisation between everyone causes added effect.
When people are dancing to the music, the musicians gain confidence and play with more feeling. If the feeling is in sync with your body's beat or sway, you will dance more obviously to the flow of the band, and this will be percieved on two levels - by the band (minimally.. because you are just one person in a huge crowd) and by the audience (proportional to how close you are to them/ how visible you are to them). There is not a single, blatant connection directly between everyone but rather, all of the factors end up finding harmony through many different feedback loops.

However, the overwhealming feelings of connectedness are caused by the drugs. Feelings of connectedness are just forms of attention, whereby your consciousness is immersed in a certain aspect of the universe. You are always seperate and connected to everyone, but sometimes we see the differences, and sometimes we see the similarities. It largely depends on the levels of serotonin/ activity of 5-ht responding neurons in various parts of our brain.


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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: JackofSpades]
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This is a central theme to the MDMA experience.

This is the reason why raves exist.  The music keeps going and going, and the music is transferring energy to the crowd via sound which is then returned to the band via dancing.  This exchange goes harder and faster.  Its awe inspiring.  It all leads to a build up and then it hits.  BAM.  Thump thump thump that beat hits the crowd again and the crowd goes ape shit.  Hair hanging in your eyes, the girl next to you on someones shoulders just going fucking crazy.  The person in front next to and behind have their eyes closed dancing just dissolving into ecstasy.  Its that feeling of knowing that everything right.  This is what life is all about.  "that" moment is all i can call it because its beyond words.  MDMA is a gift to the human experience.


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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Followed by the inevitable dehydration, collapse and cardiac arrest. A perfect ending to a perfect night.


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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Followed by the inevitable dehydration, collapse and cardiac arrest. A perfect ending to a perfect night.


:lol:  Sounds like methamphetamine.  That cold glass of water is amazing on MDMA.  Then its back to dancing:awesome:


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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Years ago, I was at a winery and saw a piano under a tarp on a small stage. I peeled back the cover to expose a beautiful, black Yamaha grand piano.

I sat down and started noodling. I was mildly inebreiated having had maybe two or three glasses of wine. The mini grass amphitheatre was mostly empty, so I got emboldened and started playing more forcefully and really got into improvising. I got lost in my own world for a bit then looked around to see maybe two dozen people had sat down to listen. I took note of no particular person. After about 40 minutes of jamming, I closed the lid and replaced the tarp and was walking away.

A fine-looking young lady approached me and said something like, "I felt you were playing directly to me." As I was looking away from the audience and had felt nothing from the crowd, it was hard to take her comment as anything more than projection or flirtation.


one time in a friends ride on the freeway he was adjusting the speed of the car and its distance from other cars perfectly. Sometimes when people are driving I feel like they aren't totally aware and it makes me nervous, but everything he did was completely in synch with my brainwaves (I guess) and I felt good and it was a bro moment


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Re: The Group Mind At Concerts [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Quote:
That cold glass of water is amazing on MDMA.


That doesn't compare to a tasty glass of refreshing liquid nitrogen.


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