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supercollider
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Sorry you're offended, but you started a science thread, then didn't post any science in it. Your website and video both start spewing rhetoric written to convince the layman that the mean old paradigm is trying to suppress the new one. Why not present some straightforward science? It reminds me of the people who try to build free energy devices.
What specific aspect of conventional cosmology are you trying to refute? What are you going to write in your paper? What are you trying to convince your professor of?
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JT
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rationalego should post his paper in here when he is finished. then we can assess the arguments with our combined shroomery brain powers
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DieCommie
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Re: Plasma Cosmology [Re: JT]
#11309964 - 10/24/09 02:53 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Plasma Cosmology (or the Electric Universe model) is old crack pottery. It has been discussed in S&T I believe, along with cars that run on water and perpetual energy from magnets and casimir cavities. And of course all such discussion retreat to the idea of the 'establishment' shutting out the new idea for... some... reason. A convenient preemptive rebuttal to being debunked.
And of course he'll bitch about me not adding anything to the conversation... but then he didn't really make any claims except for jocking someone else's idea and claiming that evidence for the big bang is in fact against the big bang but then giving no reason why...
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Re: Plasma Cosmology [Re: DieCommie]
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RationalEgo
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Re: Plasma Cosmology [Re: DieCommie]
#11313568 - 10/24/09 05:17 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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DieCommie said: Plasma Cosmology (or the Electric Universe model) is old crack pottery. It has been discussed in S&T I believe, along with cars that run on water and perpetual energy from magnets and casimir cavities. And of course all such discussion retreat to the idea of the 'establishment' shutting out the new idea for... some... reason. A convenient preemptive rebuttal to being debunked.
And of course he'll bitch about me not adding anything to the conversation... but then he didn't really make any claims except for jocking someone else's idea and claiming that evidence for the big bang is in fact against the big bang but then giving no reason why...
First of all you have conflated Plasma Cosmology with E.U. theory. Admittedly EU theory is inferential crack-pottery as it stands, so do not conflate the two.
Plasma Physics is very much a verified science, it is only predications and observations in the field of Cosmology that have been criticized and shunned by the establishment. There are quite a few good reasons for this which I am outlining in my paper, needless to say one of which is its challenging insights that can not only explain phenomena that the big Bang model cannot (Spiral Galaxies close together with largely differing Red Shift, Quasar formation and Red Shift differential, to name but a couple) but outlines a whole knew scientific and indeed philosophic paradigm for knowing how the universe works.
The fact that Plasma Cosmology is based more on inductive rather than deductive reasoning makes me more than confident that some of its conclusions are logically consistent. With Big bang theory having more abstract mathematical patches than a Windows distribution (Dark matter, dark energy, etc) one can safely say that there is much room for alternate theories and views to be considered. I of course await the Hadron Collider results and will concede the argument as any scientific mind would if more evidence to support the BB theory come to light.
I will post some links soon to the published documents I am using for my paper. This will give more detailed insight than random youtube videos and an introductory website. Right now I have to get back to writing but needless to say I will come back to this thread and provide the much needed details.
Honestly I started this thread to see if anyone was interested or knew about the theory. I did not intend to have to simultaneously debate the ideas here with opponents whilst writing a paper. I will however outline the theory, its predications, observations and conclusions at a later date so all you who are interested can pick through them with a fine tooth-comb.
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RationalEgo
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Here is an interesting peer reviewed article I am currently referencing:
Real Properties of Electromagnetic Fields and Plasma in the Cosmos
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RationalEgo
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Re: Plasma Cosmology [Re: JT]
#11314470 - 10/24/09 08:01 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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JT said: rationalego should post his paper in here when he is finished. then we can assess the arguments with our combined shroomery brain powers
I will consider it. It will however require your 'combined brains' to actually research the subject beforehand.
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RationalEgo
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A brief introduction:
Introduction to Plasma Astrophysics and Cosmology - Astrophysics and Space Science, Volume 227, Issue 1-2, pp. 3-11
Edit: Some of the quotes in this paper are in French and German, but the paper as it stands is written in English.
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Asante
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Re: Plasma Cosmology (moved) [Re: RationalEgo]
#11314795 - 10/24/09 08:48 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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This thread was moved from The Pub.
Reason: on request
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cortex
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Re: Plasma Cosmology (moved) [Re: Asante]
#11314920 - 10/24/09 09:10 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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We don't want it either...
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RationalEgo
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Re: Plasma Cosmology (moved) [Re: cortex]
#11314927 - 10/24/09 09:11 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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cortezthekiller said: We don't want it either...
You speak for everyone then I guess, O lord of the Science forum.
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Re: Plasma Cosmology (moved) [Re: RationalEgo]
#11314938 - 10/24/09 09:13 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Relax buddy, just a joke.
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RationalEgo
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Re: Plasma Cosmology (moved) [Re: cortex]
#11316852 - 10/25/09 05:54 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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cortezthekiller said: Relax buddy, just a joke.
Have anything to add to the thread?
I took this out of the pub due to nonsense only to have you 'joke' about it here.
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cortex
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Re: Plasma Cosmology (moved) [Re: RationalEgo]
#11317789 - 10/25/09 11:14 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not really, because I think plasma cosmology is a joke too...
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RationalEgo
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Re: Plasma Cosmology (moved) [Re: cortex]
#11317931 - 10/25/09 11:42 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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cortezthekiller said: Not really, because I think plasma cosmology is a joke too...
Care to explain your reasoning?
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cortex
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Re: Plasma Cosmology (moved) [Re: RationalEgo]
#11318306 - 10/25/09 12:52 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Look, I'm really with commie on this one, you have already decided that you think the "establishment" is out against PlasmaCosmo. for some devious reason, like keeping their jobs. This bugs me the most even before even discussing the theory, I cannot take anyone seriously who actually believes some kind of conspiracy is afoot among the science community to keep a real, legitimate theory down. The scientific method works, there is no conspiracy.
That aside, okay, I am open to different approaches to cosmology, I am not going to immediately ignore something just because it's not popular. And besides, as most people on here know, I am only in my freshman year of college, and really, I just don't know a lot about the subject in general. So I have some questions about plasma cosmo: How does PC explain the angular anisotropies of the CMB? How does PC explain light-element nucleosythesis? Where are the gamma rays from the matter/antimatter annihilation? Why does the universe appear to be generally homogeneous? I can get good answers for all of these from BB cosmo, but I am unaware of PC's explanation.
I'm not saying PC cannot answer these question, I am saying I don't know if they have.
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dkamp18
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there are a lot of still unanswered (and perhaps irrelevant) quarks in the data of the current "proofs" of the big bang.
such as the idea of the Axis of Evil in the wmap that may change the way the initial moments of the big bang are viewed
edit: but i guess that i was late in replying as that was also brought by cortez in his questions of anisotropy and the apparent homogeneity
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dkamp18
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Re: Plasma Cosmology [Re: dkamp18]
#11322150 - 10/26/09 12:12 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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but i am also still posting from a freshman education. anything other than that is just my own studies.
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