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OfflineNiall
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(Very) Crude Mescaline Extraction
    #11300831 - 10/22/09 06:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So I was wondering, I have 210g of san pedro dried skins, and I want to make a crude extract. Would it be possible for me to powder the cactus and put into water made acidic by a large amount of vinegar and shake it up a bit to extract some of the mescaline and strain and repeat a few times then evaporate the liquid off leaving me with a very impure product of mescaline acetate and plant fats, this would be easier to ingest than tea or the straight cactus. I would do the whole acid to base extraction but unfortunately I am limited to very few resources and would be happy with a very impure product, so long as its easier to ingest than tea or the solid.


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    #11300854 - 10/22/09 06:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: (Very) Crude Mescaline Extraction [Re: BEEP]
    #11300878 - 10/22/09 06:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Alright cheers, i'll just make some tea and bare the horrible taste that is yet to come. :smile: thanks.


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Re: (Very) Crude Mescaline Extraction [Re: Niall]
    #11300916 - 10/22/09 06:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Niall said:
So I was wondering, I have 210g of san pedro dried skins, and I want to make a crude extract. Would it be possible for me to powder the cactus and put into water made acidic by a large amount of vinegar and shake it up a bit to extract some of the mescaline and strain and repeat a few times then evaporate the liquid off leaving me with a very impure product of mescaline acetate and plant fats, this would be easier to ingest than tea or the straight cactus. I would do the whole acid to base extraction but unfortunately I am limited to very few resources and would be happy with a very impure product, so long as its easier to ingest than tea or the solid.




There would be no need to acidify if you want to make tar.

Most people just use everclear, and make certain to do a few soaks on the cactus.

The everclear, once the plant matter is removed, will evaporate into a very sticky, tarry mess which can be scraped up and rolled into pill sized balls to be swallowed whole. I have heard some flour works here to make the junk more manageable.

To dose, just assume you extracted almost all the actives and divide the total yield by how many doses of cactus you introduced. If you don't know the potency of your dried cactus, a good place to start is about 30-40 grams (total cactus, not the extract...).

I don't do it this way, cause I hate to take that much material. Before I got some d-limonene, I would just make tea, which is a little tricky if your skins are powdered. If you have whole pieces of skin, just toss them in some simmering water for several hours, changing water intermittently. Simmer this water down to a shot per dose and go after it. Boiling cooks off some of the actives, so you will be left with a slightly weaker brew.

If it's powdered, you have to find a way to filter it out - good luck...


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Re: (Very) Crude Mescaline Extraction [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #11304274 - 10/23/09 04:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

iso tar is way easier and cheaper cheaper the everclear for sure


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Re: (Very) Crude Mescaline Extraction [Re: thedudenj]
    #11304941 - 10/23/09 10:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Doesn't the iso leave toxic remnants in the tar? I would stick to foodsafe, unless cost is a major concern. I think mescaline is pretty soluble in ethanol.


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Re: (Very) Crude Mescaline Extraction [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #11305115 - 10/23/09 11:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

evaporate iso on a dish and see if you can scrape anything ... no it doesnt leave stuff


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Re: (Very) Crude Mescaline Extraction [Re: Niall]
    #11305524 - 10/23/09 01:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Doing Isopropyl Alcohol or an Everclear extraction works best for cactus.

In some states you can only get Everclear 151, not 200 proof. 

90%+ Isopropyl works good too.

Powderize material, let sit in alcohol for 24-48 hours shaking as often as possible.

Strain & collect alcohol. Soak the material with FRESH alcohol for 24-48 hours.

Repeat until the fresh alcohol stays mostly clear. This can take 4-5 pulls or more depending on the cactus skin.

Combine all alcohol pulls, filter the best you can (through a t-shirt works well) then evaporate to yield a nice tar goo.

The tar goo will sometimes be more solidified like dry putty, other times it will be hard and pliable but very greasy too the touch.


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Re: (Very) Crude Mescaline Extraction [Re: thedudenj]
    #11305630 - 10/23/09 01:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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evaporate iso on a dish and see if you can scrape anything ... no it doesnt leave stuff




Some iso will be trapped in the extremely sticky tar, which will be impossible to dry completely.

Same problem with iso hash.

In the cactus instance, however, this problem can be remedied by adding some h20 in the evaporation stage. Still won't ever dry out completely, but all the ipa will be gone.


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Re: (Very) Crude Mescaline Extraction [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #11306867 - 10/23/09 05:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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evaporate iso on a dish and see if you can scrape anything ... no it doesnt leave stuff




Some iso will be trapped in the extremely sticky tar, which will be impossible to dry completely.

Same problem with iso hash.

In the cactus instance, however, this problem can be remedied by adding some h20 in the evaporation stage. Still won't ever dry out completely, but all the ipa will be gone.



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evaporate iso on a dish and see if you can scrape anything ... no it doesnt leave stuff




Some iso will be trapped in the extremely sticky tar, which will be impossible to dry completely.

Same problem with iso hash.

In the cactus instance, however, this problem can be remedied by adding some h20 in the evaporation stage. Still won't ever dry out completely, but all the ipa will be gone.




well you can actually dry it so much so that it turns in to powder.


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Re: (Very) Crude Mescaline Extraction [Re: thedudenj]
    #11308393 - 10/23/09 09:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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well you can actually dry it so much so that it turns in to powder.




Sometimes...

Sometimes its real tar-putty like depending on particular unidentifiable procedural differences.

I found that leaving SOME of the fine powder in the mix, maybe filtering through a loose t-shirt as apposed to a vigorous filter through cotton balls, helps produce a drier final product that is easier to scrape up.

It seems like more of the oils and freebases dominate the consistency when there is excessive filtration.

I personally prefer a more-pure tar goo then I do a less pure scrape able powder, so I filter very well.

All tar goo I have scraped and molded into a ball smells like juicy cactus, not like alcohol.


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Re: (Very) Crude Mescaline Extraction [Re: CosmicLion]
    #11308687 - 10/23/09 10:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

yeah i prefer tar over powder , yeah as you said if you strain thru a tea shirt and grind int really fine alot will get thru and it can make a powder if you grind it coarse then none will get thru and you get striaght tar


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