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OfflineDarkestone
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What's happening with this theory?
    #11291606 - 10/21/09 02:09 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Just wondering what people who actually think about things thought about this:shrug:

New Theory Says Time is Disappearing from the Universe:

Remember a little thing called the space-time continuum? Well what if the time part of the equation was literally running out? New evidence is suggesting that time is slowly disappearing from our universe, and will one day vanish completely. This radical new theory may explain a cosmological mystery that has baffled scientists for years.

Scientists previously have measured the light from distant exploding stars to show that the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate. They assumed that these supernovae are spreading apart faster as the universe ages. Physicists also assumed that a kind of anti-gravitational force must be driving the galaxies apart, and started to call this unidentified force “dark energy”.

The team’s proposal, which will be published in the journal Physical Review D, dismisses dark energy as fiction. Instead, Prof Senovilla says, the appearance of acceleration is caused by time itself gradually slowing down, like a clock with a run-down battery.

“We do not say that the expansion of the universe itself is an illusion,” he explains. “What we say it may be an illusion is the acceleration of this expansion – that is, the possibility that the expansion is, and has been, increasing its rate.”

If time gradually slows “but we naively kept using our equations to derive the changes of the expansion with respect of ‘a standard flow of time’, then the simple models that we have constructed in our paper show that an “effective accelerated rate of the expansion” takes place.”

Currently, astronomers are able to discern the expansion speed of the universe using the so-called “red shift” technique. This technique relies on the understanding that stars moving away appear redder in color than ones moving towards us. Scientists look for supernovae of certain types that provide a sort of benchmark.However, the accuracy of these measurements depends on time remaining invariable throughout the universe. If time is slowing down, according to this new theory, our solitary time dimension is slowly turning into a new space dimension. Therefore the far-distant, ancient stars seen by cosmologists would from our perspective, look as though they were accelerating.

“Our calculations show that we would think that the expansion of the universe is accelerating,” saysProf Senovilla. The theory bases it’s idea on one particular variant of superstring theory, in which our universe is confined to the surface of a membrane, or brane, floating in a higher-dimensional space, known as the “bulk”. In billions of years, time would cease to be time altogether.

“Then everything will be frozen, like a snapshot of one instant, forever,” Senovilla told New Scientist magazine. “Our planet will be long gone by then.”

Though radical and in many way unprecedented, these ideas are not without support. Gary Gibbons, a cosmologist at Cambridge University, say the concept has merit. “We believe that time emerged during the Big Bang, and if time can emerge, it can also disappear – that’s just the reverse effect.”


And time shall be no more?


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Re: What's happening with this theory? [Re: Darkestone]
    #11292220 - 10/21/09 03:42 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

i wonder at what rate this is happening?


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Re: What's happening with this theory? [Re: Olympus Mons]
    #11293995 - 10/21/09 08:02 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I don't really know what to think.  I mean, it made sense to me after I finally was able to grasp what they were saying but

It blows my mind man:chong:

Humans are so-what's the word? Capable!


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Re: What's happening with this theory? [Re: Darkestone]
    #11294812 - 10/21/09 09:48 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know what to think about this theory either. Eastern meditative traditions teach us to live in the present moment. It's always been apparent to me that time in an illusion, and it only makes sense from our limited perspective.

DW theorizes that there is a parallel reality of time-space which is connected to space-time, where in time-space moving will move you in time as opposed to space. We are involved in both of these, just as everything is both a particle and a wave. So if time was indeed slowing down, then space would be expanding, or contracting, or what? :confused:

Trying to fit all these ideas in making my head explode...


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Re: What's happening with this theory? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #11298459 - 10/22/09 11:43 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Time is relative, time goes in one direction, that is not to say that we can't go back to a previous phase, like turning a liquid into a solid.

The acceleration of light in a vacuum is constant. If there is any instantaneous speed for 'something' for any instant in time, you will find out that 'something' is in motion

Acceleration = Force / Mass

Light has no Mass.

No solution

So something instantaneous could be seen as stillness, although it's still moving at an instant in time, I don't think time will go away any time soon :smirk:


Anything is possible, and sometimes I would hope for all of this to come to a halt,

The question that really remains is why.

and then we reply to ourselves

why not?

:crazy2:


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Maybe everything has always been still to begin with, :shrug:


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Re: What's happening with this theory? [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #11301143 - 10/22/09 07:08 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: What's happening with this theory? [Re: Darkestone]
    #11303126 - 10/23/09 12:01 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

New evidence is suggesting that time is slowly disappearing from our universe, and will one day vanish completely. :confused:


Time can not have an end...in time. :lol:


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Re: What's happening with this theory? [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #11303425 - 10/23/09 12:46 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

The acceleration of light in a vacuum is constant.




Yea, constantly zero.


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Re: What's happening with this theory? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #11305307 - 10/23/09 12:25 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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blewmeanie said:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091022154644.htm





That is a great site!  Thanks Blue!


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Re: What's happening with this theory? [Re: Darkestone]
    #11305323 - 10/23/09 12:29 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

time is timeless


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Re: What's happening with this theory? [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #11305334 - 10/23/09 12:32 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Time is an intellectual construct, not a manifestation of anything physical.
It's like running out of love.


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Re: What's happening with this theory? [Re: Doc_T]
    #11305437 - 10/23/09 12:52 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I don't so much see "time running out".  More like becoming insignificant.  I believe a time is coming when we will speed up, leave our rotting flesh behind and step into another dimension which will be never ending and the Appearance and importance of time shall be no more.  No clocks, no bodies= no time!


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    #11875363 - 01/21/10 10:32 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: What's happening with this theory? [Re: Olympus Mons]
    #11884815 - 01/23/10 02:55 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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Olympus Mons said:
i wonder at what rate this is happening?




At an exponential rate...


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Re: What's happening with this theory? [Re: TeamAmerica]
    #11887368 - 01/23/10 10:17 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Does it say that somewhere?


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    #11888750 - 01/24/10 02:57 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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Edited by FrenchMachine (02/19/10 12:19 AM)


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Re: What's happening with this theory? [Re: FrenchMachine]
    #11890392 - 01/24/10 12:44 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

I already know about all that stuff.  :razz:

And no, there is no evidence that part of the 2nd law is wrong.  It only had one part so Im not sure what you mean.


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Re: What's happening with this theory? [Re: DieCommie]
    #11890403 - 01/24/10 12:47 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
And no, there is no evidence that part of the 2nd law is wrong. 




Anybody ever finds proof of that, it'll be big news.


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    #11891283 - 01/24/10 03:40 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: What's happening with this theory? [Re: FrenchMachine]
    #11891499 - 01/24/10 04:15 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Its pretty ridiculous to think one needs to read your specific book to know anything about thermodynamics and "Absolute Zero, Bose-Einstein Condensate, Superconductivity, Superfluidity, Zero Point Energy"


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