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Too much worry.
    #11291335 - 10/21/09 01:22 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

"To worry is to become accessible, unwittingly accessible. And once you worry you cling to anything out of desperation; and once you cling you are bound to get exhausted or to exhaust whoever or whatever you are clinging to."

Finally I'm starting to really grok this. I worry less and less. It's taken most of a life but I finally feel like the weight is coming off my shoulders. Kind of what the Buddhists talk about but without the robes and meditation.

Here's the technique I used. I looked into the minutia of my death fears. I continue to look at the fact of my unimportance and complete temporariness over and over, hour by hour, day by day. At first it was almost unbearably painful and I was afraid it would be like that, but now, finally...

I find myself at ease in ways I haven't felt in as long as I can remember. I think this shit is working.

This may only work for someone who has lived a long time.:shrug:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Too much worry. [Re: Icelander]
    #11291559 - 10/21/09 02:01 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
This may only work for someone who has lived a long time.:shrug:



So what do you adivse us hip youngsters to do? :obamadre:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Too much worry. [Re: Poid]
    #11291563 - 10/21/09 02:03 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Take lots of psychedelics in large doses and stay away from religious people, and your parents.


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Re: Too much worry. [Re: Icelander]
    #11291578 - 10/21/09 02:05 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I'm doing that already! :grin:


But still, I cannot get over the love I have for my parents, even though I simultaneously hate them. My psychology is all kinds of fucked up!  :braindamage:


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Re: Too much worry. [Re: Poid]
    #11291603 - 10/21/09 02:09 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

If you "hate" them you can't also "love" them.

I think you are addicted (like most) to them. Look deeply at this addiction and maybe you can break it. Then you could just hate them:lol: and all will be well.:satansmoking:


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Re: Too much worry. [Re: Icelander]
    #11291632 - 10/21/09 02:14 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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If you "hate" them you can't also "love" them.


Yesterday evening and into the night, I was tripping on a moderate dose of LSD and realized that I actually love my immediate family members to death, but that there are just some things about them that piss me off so fucking much that it makes me feel like I hate them. 


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I think you are addicted (like most) to them.


Haven't been around them for like two months, but before I left, I started to realize that the reason I was hanging around is just what you said; that I was just addicted to them.


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Look deeply at this addiction and maybe you can break it.


I think it's pretty much broken by now, although I still feel many feelings of guilt and sadness when I just think about them. I know I love them very much, though, this is something that I dwelled deeply on last night during my LSD trip.


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Then you could just hate them:lol: and all will be well.:satansmoking:


I just wanna compromise with them, then brainwash them to believe in my beleifs so we can all be on the same page. :satansmoking:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Too much worry. [Re: Icelander]
    #11292634 - 10/21/09 04:42 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
"To worry is to become accessible, unwittingly accessible. And once you worry you cling to anything out of desperation; and once you cling you are bound to get exhausted or to exhaust whoever or whatever you are clinging to."

Finally I'm starting to really grok this. I worry less and less. It's taken most of a life but I finally feel like the weight is coming off my shoulders. Kind of what the Buddhists talk about but without the robes and meditation.

Here's the technique I used. I looked into the minutia of my death fears. I continue to look at the fact of my unimportance and complete temporariness over and over, hour by hour, day by day. At first it was almost unbearably painful and I was afraid it would be like that, but now, finally...

I find myself at ease in ways I haven't felt in as long as I can remember. I think this shit is working.

This may only work for someone who has lived a long time.:shrug:





Cool its all about seeing through mental attachment
Contemplating death breaks the deepest attachment, attachment to being embodied

Anyone no matter their age can face death anxiety & start to let go of their life, younger people are just less likely to look at it...alot less likely

Impermanence is great

I had my first full blown taste when i was thinking about impermanence, it was about 2/3 years ago, i didnt really understand much about the Buddha back then, but i was just thinking about impermanence trying to understand it, then i  remembered that the whole planet will one day be fried by the sun, simultaniously as i blinked i saw a vision of the world on fire, then something in me totally let go of the world & it felt like i had an orgasm, i literally felt paralyzed with bliss, i swore from that day i would realize what the Buddha realized like my life depended on it...

:peace:


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Re: Too much worry. [Re: Chronic7]
    #11292649 - 10/21/09 04:44 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

If I asked you your age, Chronic777, would you tell me the true answer? :sad:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Too much worry. [Re: Poid]
    #11292659 - 10/21/09 04:46 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

This body is 25 years old
I would never lie to you about anything

:peace:


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Re: Too much worry. [Re: Chronic7]
    #11292668 - 10/21/09 04:46 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

That's you in your avatar, isn't it?


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Too much worry. [Re: Poid]
    #11292702 - 10/21/09 04:53 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Its a wooden statue, but yes it is me :grin:

:peace:


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Re: Too much worry. [Re: Chronic7]
    #11292706 - 10/21/09 04:54 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

:mad:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Too much worry. [Re: Icelander]
    #11292759 - 10/21/09 05:03 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Worrying is energy wasting. The mind will attempt to think its way out of the situation, *shrug* Thinking about it tends to cause more worry.
Don't blame the mind, thinking is what it does. *shrug*

Distraction?

A question:

Does analysing your problems "address" them or "indulge" them?

Anyway. Kudos to you Icelander. :flowers:


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Re: Too much worry. [Re: Poid]
    #11299550 - 10/22/09 03:22 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

although I still feel many feelings of guilt and sadness when I just think about them.

Yeah right you're not addicted.:crazy2:

You don't even have a clue about what motivates you IMO. Wake up sleepy head.


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Re: Too much worry. [Re: Icelander]
    #11300152 - 10/22/09 04:48 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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although I still feel many feelings of guilt and sadness when I just think about them.

Yeah right you're not addicted.:crazy2:

You don't even have a clue about what motivates you IMO. Wake up sleepy head.




Be Nice.

Or Not.


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Re: Too much worry. [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #11300289 - 10/22/09 05:03 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

When you say you looked into the minutia of your death fears, I think you should also point out, for everyone else, that the minutia might seem to not have anything to do with death until you've sandblasted, scratched at, washed off and touched at their connections to death.

Many people I know could do well with standing up to their parents (and everyone else), revealing themselves, etc. This is still a balance act for me and I think it remains so for almost everyone as it's part of being human in relationships and balancing that with desire, intent and custom. I went through the let everything out to your family phase a long time ago. A while after all that I felt the importance of it and all the steps since then, but also realized that family is highly overrated (both loving and hating them) and highly overaccused by me and most people I've encountered.


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Re: Too much worry. [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #11300322 - 10/22/09 05:07 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Dont worry beeeeee happy.

Worry dont beeee happy.


I think when you affirm your fears and worries after a while you realize how the emotions can blur and one can see via this slow process that one was only fixating on a silly fixation on the present flavor of awareness. If the world cant distract you surely one can realize sitting around all angsty will eventually wear itself out if you just put a lil effort in.

good poast.


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Re: Too much worry. [Re: andrewss]
    #11300352 - 10/22/09 05:11 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Dont worry beeeeee happy.

Worry dont beeee happy.


I think when you affirm your fears and worries after a while you realize how the emotions can blur and one can see via this slow process that one was only fixating on a silly fixation on the present flavor of awareness. If the world cant distract you surely one can realize sitting around all angsty will eventually wear itself out if you just put a lil effort in.

good poast.





TY but I'm putting in Zero Effort enjoy!


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Re: Too much worry. [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #11300368 - 10/22/09 05:14 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Enjoy self loathing nihilism :sun:

But really, enjoy it! Its the least you could do :chugbeer:


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Re: Too much worry. [Re: Icelander]
    #11300426 - 10/22/09 05:20 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Really being able to surrender to death so that it doesn't matter if you died any moment now would be a great relief. Maybe even the great relief. It frees from worries and makes life stand out bright.

Tell me please, how does one look into the details of the deathfear?


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