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Fortius_Penguin said:
Okay, Shroomerites. Here's a real thinker for you.

Whilst immersed in some very outward thinking, I came upon this here idea:

What if you could self-induce a psychedelic experience without using anything but your mind?

As I'm sure you know, the human body produces small quantities of hallucinogenic substances all the time, naturally. Not enough to ravage a mind or anything, but enough to exist.

Now, you are also aware of the amazing power the free mind possesses.

So what if, by some wonderful feat of the mind, one could enervate the body to produce much larger quantities of these hallucinogens, and achieve a psychedelic experience?

I've seen some very strange things made possible with no more than very deep concentration and a little bit of belief.

So what if it could be done?

What do you think?

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ive thought of this exact thing many times, problem is reconditioning the process of the body and mind is a bit more complicated than "believing"

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ShroomDoom said:
i wouldn't exactly call it tripping but chi gong makes me feel amazing afterwards. esp when done early in the morning when its cold...

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What is Chi Gong?

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ShroomDoom said:
i wouldn't exactly call it tripping but chi gong makes me feel amazing afterwards. esp when done early in the morning when its cold...

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Thisfire said:
Because we don't consciously have control over those aspects of our body?

And for good reason, we couldn't manage all the incredibly complex methods that our body does on its own.

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rainst0rm said:
I believe, as I think Wade Davis said, that hallucinogenic plant use as a way to alter consciousness is primarily historically in the Americas and Siberia and that other cultures have developed ways to alter their consciousness through music and dancing or spiritual disciplines. Therefore I think it's entirely possible to train one's mind to enter states of altered consciousness on many levels.

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SittingBull said:
It is definitely possible, you can control your emotions and your thoughts, so why not the chemical response in your body?

Problem is finding the little boogers,for example, you can make your heart rate speed up or slow down just by thinking about it, but that's cause you've done it so many times and are familiar with your hearts functions. Upping the production of a naturally occurring chemical that you are probably not familiar with in the levels that would require for you to trip, would take some fancy footwork. Or another example is if someone is using cocaine, and they are anticipating their next fix they can make their dopamine levels rise a bit before they even get ahold of any, cause they are conditioned that way and they know whats going to happen next, so their body starts prepping.

So if I were you I'd start with trying to get ahold of whatever chemical hallucination you are wishing to trigger. And familiarize yourself with it and familiarize yourself with your own body. 

I've had experience with this a bit. And I can spiritually and mentally trip without the use of chemicals, even hallucinate a bit(trails, things move, change in colors, hear things that aren't there) with a little concentration, but I still haven't been able to get to what I would consider a full blown trip.
I do think there are better uses of your time and energy, that would lead you to trippier things.

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SittingBull said:
It is definitely possible, you can control your emotions and your thoughts, so why not the chemical response in your body?

Problem is finding the little boogers,for example, you can make your heart rate speed up or slow down just by thinking about it,

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Thisfire said:

I cant make my heart beat faster If I only think about it. Because my mind doesn't have control like that.
It only happens when you feel an emotion that will cause a heart rate increase, or if you don't breath, or become active.

But just from thought alone, I don't think is possible.

Emotions, yes. Thought, I doubt it.

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Well, you're never going to gain the ability to do so if you don't even believe it possible

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Fortius_Penguin said:

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Thisfire said:

I cant make my heart beat faster If I only think about it. Because my mind doesn't have control like that.
It only happens when you feel an emotion that will cause a heart rate increase, or if you don't breath, or become active.

But just from thought alone, I don't think is possible.

Emotions, yes. Thought, I doubt it.

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Well, you're never going to gain the ability to do so if you don't even believe it possible

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SittingBull said:
It is definitely possible, you can control your emotions and your thoughts, so why not the chemical response in your body?

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SittingBull said:
It is definitely possible, you can control your emotions and your thoughts, so why not the chemical response in your body?

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No doubt man. The brain can release many chemicals with some complex cognition. Things such as PEA{(natural amphetamine-like chemical)linked to romantic love and novel activities}, Epinepherine, nor-epinephrine, melatonin, and endorphins. Not too sure about serotonin and dopamine. I believe that when we go to sleep, DMT is allowed to cross the blood brain barrier, since the brain constantly needs stimulation the DMT causes the dream and stimulates the brain. The dreams happen during the REM (rapid-eye movement) cycle; REM cycle is meant to act as another stimulation for the brain by unconsciously scanning the environment when we are in the REM cycle.

So I would say that cognition could affect this.

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