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Praying for other people to change
    #11285812 - 10/20/09 07:09 PM (8 years, 4 days ago)

For this thread we will overlook how one imperfect person can see all of the repercussions of another's actions throughout time and accurately make such a judgment. (Dear God, I am a sinner, but make this other person more like me. Amen.)

Let's say a relative prays for me to give up cannabis and shrooms (no, not a real example). Either this sort of manipulative prayer is useless as nothing will happen or God will intervene and free will goes out the window.

I realize that logic is not the strong suit of the religious, but how can people resolve this seeming contradiction?


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Re: Praying for other people to change [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11285991 - 10/20/09 07:40 PM (8 years, 4 days ago)

If I'm already ignoring the contradiction there's nothing to resolve. :grin:


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Re: Praying for other people to change [Re: Tropism]
    #11286035 - 10/20/09 07:49 PM (8 years, 4 days ago)

Bob, tell Tropism what he has won...


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Re: Praying for other people to change [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11286377 - 10/20/09 08:36 PM (8 years, 4 days ago)

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Bob, tell Tropism what he has won...




I didn't know we would get prizes. :sad:


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Re: Praying for other people to change [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11286619 - 10/20/09 09:02 PM (8 years, 4 days ago)

I do not believe it logical to petition "God" with prayer at all.

This concept in itself for me, was one of the first nails in the coffin.

R.I.P God.

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Re: Praying for other people to change [Re: figmentfragment]
    #11286695 - 10/20/09 09:11 PM (8 years, 4 days ago)

Well, he had a pretty good run.


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Re: Praying for other people to change [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11286847 - 10/20/09 09:32 PM (8 years, 4 days ago)

Well what have I won? :sherlock:

Clones? Spore prints?      ...Medicine??


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Re: Praying for other people to change [Re: Tropism]
    #11286870 - 10/20/09 09:35 PM (8 years, 4 days ago)

You've won years supply of Midol.


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Re: Praying for other people to change [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11290856 - 10/21/09 11:35 AM (8 years, 4 days ago)

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Well, he had a pretty good run.


:cactuarrun:


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Re: Praying for other people to change [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11292745 - 10/21/09 05:00 PM (8 years, 3 days ago)

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Either this sort of manipulative prayer is useless as nothing will happen or God will intervene and free will goes out the window.






When did it come in the window?

Free will is thought based & hardly anyone on this planet knows how to control their thoughts
To say you have free will, is another thought, which you do not make appear
It just feels like you have control over your life, but everything you do is based on the functioning of your surrounding environment, so how do you control any of it?

Ive never 'prayed' for anyone, but sometimes in meditation when im immersed in bliss, someone will pop into my mind & ill just wish for them to experience it

:peace:


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Re: Praying for other people to change [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11292842 - 10/21/09 05:18 PM (8 years, 3 days ago)

a friend of mine told me once that prayer is something as simple as:

"WATER IS FUCKING AWESOME!
IT FUCKING ROCKS!
THANKS!"


prayers to him, basically were to thank his (many) Gods for life and things that made life good.


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Re: Praying for other people to change [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11293927 - 10/21/09 07:52 PM (8 years, 3 days ago)

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Chronic777 said:
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Either this sort of manipulative prayer is useless as nothing will happen or God will intervene and free will goes out the window.





When did it come in the window?





:rofl: he got you there OC.


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Re: Praying for other people to change [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11294655 - 10/21/09 09:29 PM (8 years, 3 days ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
For this thread we will overlook how one imperfect person can see all of the repercussions of another's actions throughout time and accurately make such a judgment. (Dear God, I am a sinner, but make this other person more like me. Amen.)

Let's say a relative prays for me to give up cannabis and shrooms (no, not a real example). Either this sort of manipulative prayer is useless as nothing will happen or God will intervene and free will goes out the window.

I realize that logic is not the strong suit of the religious, but how can people resolve this seeming contradiction?





You do realize this is progress.


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Re: Praying for other people to change [Re: figmentfragment]
    #11294709 - 10/21/09 09:36 PM (8 years, 3 days ago)

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Either this sort of manipulative prayer is useless as nothing will happen or God will intervene and free will goes out the window.





When did it come in the window?





:rofl: he got you there OC.




Not really as people who believe in sin must believe in free will. Without choice, there can be no choosing against God.


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Re: Praying for other people to change [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11294730 - 10/21/09 09:38 PM (8 years, 3 days ago)

I just want to know when it came in the window. Everything else is irrelevant.

:rofl:

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Re: Praying for other people to change [Re: figmentfragment]
    #11294781 - 10/21/09 09:45 PM (8 years, 3 days ago)

A few weeks back Free Will was outside your house and saw you sleeping in that sexy negligee and snuck in the window. :yesnod:


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Re: Praying for other people to change [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11294813 - 10/21/09 09:48 PM (8 years, 3 days ago)

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how can people resolve this seeming contradiction?




Easy...they don't care about your free will. Everyone is God's litte puppet, he is to obeyed and served and honored. They want to gain his respect by praying for something they think is "good" for you....

What if I pray to God for my relative to stop praying for me? Ya know, because I want them to ignore my pains and live there own life.

Which prayer does God choose to honor?


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Re: Praying for other people to change [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11294829 - 10/21/09 09:49 PM (8 years, 3 days ago)

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A few weeks back Free Will was outside your house and saw you sleeping in that sexy negligee and snuck in the window. :yesnod:




What??? no comments about *coming on the window???*  Bad form OC.

Sexy negligee...*scratches head* is that another name for flannelet pijama pants with kitties on them???

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Re: Praying for other people to change [Re: figmentfragment]
    #11294890 - 10/21/09 09:55 PM (8 years, 3 days ago)

The jammies with kitties would be gone in short order. Well, not all of the kitties... :naughty:


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Re: Praying for other people to change [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11297674 - 10/22/09 06:39 AM (8 years, 3 days ago)

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people who believe in sin must believe in free will. Without choice, there can be no choosing against God.




People who know what God really is, dont beleive in sin at all

Its impossible to sin against God, if you could sin against God, then God would not be Infinite

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