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OfflineAlphaFalfa
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P&S After-Life Poll
    #11283906 - 10/20/09 02:38 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

When we die...

You may add your choice for other and the reasons for your choice.
When we die....
You may choose only one
We go to heaven or hell, depending on the choices we make.
We forget everything, even that we lived a fullfilling/unfullfilling life.
We forget everything and are reduced to a conciousness of initial drives(not ones created by this lifes experiences) and are re-born into a new life without knowledge of the last.
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Re: P&S After-Life Poll [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #11283957 - 10/20/09 02:48 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

All of those options imply that there is a "we" after we die. :lol:


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Re: P&S After-Life Poll [Re: Poid]
    #11284022 - 10/20/09 02:57 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

:rockon:


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Re: P&S After-Life Poll [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #11284033 - 10/20/09 02:58 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

:jimmorrison:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: P&S After-Life Poll [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #11284075 - 10/20/09 03:04 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I greatly take issue with your usage of the word "forget." It implies that there's someone to do the forgetting, which is not remotely what I believe.

It seems to me that the simplest and most reasonable description of what happens to us when we die (not "after") is that we cease to exist.
That's what death IS -- it's the cessation of the accumulated biological processes which are an organism.


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Re: P&S After-Life Poll [Re: laserpig]
    #11284090 - 10/20/09 03:07 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

My beliefs are always changing - at the moment from listening to the Tibetan Book of the Dead and literature on Buddhism I'm considering the possibility that the unconscious takes over completely and we unknowingly subject ourselves to another rebirth because we are attached to pleasure


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Re: P&S After-Life Poll [Re: laserpig]
    #11284092 - 10/20/09 03:08 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

laserpig said:
That's what death IS -- it's the cessation of the accumulated biological processes which are an organism.


Actually, the term 'death' is synonymous with the term 'life'. :whatever:


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Re: P&S After-Life Poll [Re: Poid]
    #11284177 - 10/20/09 03:18 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Ehhh ... death is the other side of the coin.
Death is implied by life and vice-versa, but that doesn't mean they're identical.


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Re: P&S After-Life Poll [Re: laserpig]
    #11284187 - 10/20/09 03:19 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

:thumbup:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: P&S After-Life Poll [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #11284304 - 10/20/09 03:38 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Communication difficulties arise when two or more people have not agreed to the words being exchange.

Forget, did imply that someone was forgetting but only for you. In the context of that meaning of forget, I would have to agree with the contradiction you found in my poll.

However, the reality of my 'forget' was reflective of a type of amnesia. Amnesia being, not knowing that your memory has been erased, not being at all concious of your past and previous desired future.

This might clear it up, unless the words get all tangled again.

:rockon:


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Re: P&S After-Life Poll [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #11284315 - 10/20/09 03:40 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

AlphaFalfa said:
Communication difficulties arise when two or more people have not agreed to the words being exchange.


...you mean when two or more people have not properly defined their terms, right?



Quote:

AlphaFalfa said:
However, the reality of my 'forget' was reflective of a type of amnesia. Amnesia being, not knowing that your memory has been erased, not being at all concious of your past and previous desired future.

This might clear it up, unless the words get all tangled again.

:rockon:


Something dead cannot "forget" anything; dead things don't do anything at all...


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Re: P&S After-Life Poll [Re: Poid]
    #11284399 - 10/20/09 03:52 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Actually weren't monocellular creatures theoritically immortal?
Like HeLa, or some small jellyfishes and such.
Nothing is invincible, but some things are immortal. :laugh:


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Re: P&S After-Life Poll [Re: Kukaracha]
    #11284415 - 10/20/09 03:54 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Actually weren't monocellular creatures theoritically immortal?


You mean single-cell organisms? No, they can die; at least that's what my 10th grade biology teacher told me. :shrug:



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Kukaracha said:
Like HeLa, or some small jellyfishes and such.
Nothing is invincible, but some things are immortal. :laugh:


Immortality is paradoxical; one of the qualities of a living being is that it dies, so it follows that if something is "immortal", it was never alive in the first place. :wink:


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Re: P&S After-Life Poll [Re: Poid]
    #11284603 - 10/20/09 04:22 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I guess those small jellyfishes were alive, they just don't die of old age (but they do die when smashed into bits).


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Re: P&S After-Life Poll [Re: Kukaracha]
    #11284612 - 10/20/09 04:23 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Entropy, my good man.  :irishtoast:


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Re: P&S After-Life Poll [Re: Poid]
    #11284629 - 10/20/09 04:25 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)




Immortality is paradoxical; one of the qualities of a living being is that it dies, so it follows that if something is "immortal", it was never alive in the first place. :wink:




If its replicating DNA to sustain itself, even non depreciating/mutating, and if other than starvation, severe injury, or radiation, it won't die. I would probably call it both alive and immortal.

Though, If one considers immortal to be exclusive of those routes of death, then i guess upon that definition it would have to be paradoxical and not of matter (or known matter) - because much  can be broken. Diamonds can be cut, radiation breaks bonds in matter, particles can be smashed into each other...

I do agree that for something to 'die' it had to be alive in the first place.
in current understanding of life, as laserpig said about death:
Quote:

it's the cessation of the accumulated biological processes which are an organism.




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Re: P&S After-Life Poll [Re: flangenips]
    #11284634 - 10/20/09 04:26 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

:yesnod2:


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Re: P&S After-Life Poll [Re: flangenips]
    #11284720 - 10/20/09 04:37 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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if other than starvation, severe injury, or radiation, it won't die. I would probably call it both alive and immortal.




Immortal, def: not subject to death.

Even the organism you just described is still subject to death. Perhaps it does not have any particular age at which it will die in the same way that we do, but it nonetheless cannot live indefinitely.


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Re: P&S After-Life Poll [Re: laserpig]
    #11284727 - 10/20/09 04:38 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I don't have the slightest clue.  I'm assuming that consciousness and self awareness cease with the cease of metabolism, but i guess i will have to die to find out.


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Re: P&S After-Life Poll [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #11284792 - 10/20/09 04:48 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I am def open to the idea of another incarnation as an ignorant finite agent


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