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Delusional Narcissistic Cosmic Significance
    #11283317 - 10/20/09 12:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

This is an idea Ernest Becker presented in his book The Denial of Death that I sort of find to be extremely true; that most humans are so narcissistic to the point that they believe that the collection of atoms that constitutes their bodies is more significant, in a cosmic sense, then any other collection of atoms.


So, basically, most humans think they're special. But they're really not. :nonono:


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Re: Delusional Narcissistic Cosmic Significance [Re: Poid]
    #11418951 - 11/09/09 03:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Bump!  :whoo:


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Re: Delusional Narcissistic Cosmic Significance [Re: Poid]
    #11418990 - 11/09/09 03:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This might be true to a degree on a case by case basis, but as a species I would say we are more significant than others on earth given one would give us kudos for being the most powerful species on earth. Though what does this really mean, I guess not all that much, but we are a diverse and pretty interesting animal species at least in comparison and I think thats worth some novelty.

If everyone actually subscribed to that self deprecating part of that "dichotomy" almost nobody would do anything human, so at least in our mental realm many of us are aesthetics and somewhat narcissistic, so what? Just calling it out doesnt really say all that much...


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Re: Delusional Narcissistic Cosmic Significance [Re: andrewss]
    #11419030 - 11/09/09 03:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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This might be true to a degree on a case by case basis, but as a species I would say we are more significant than others on earth given one would give us kudos for being the most powerful species on earth.


Being on the top of the food chain does not make the atoms that comprise our bodies more "significant" than any other group of atoms; significance is a value judgment.



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Though what does this really mean, I guess not all that much, but we are a diverse and pretty interesting animal species at least in comparison and I think thats worth some novelty.


Nebulae are pretty novel, IMO; still, though, the atoms that comprise them are no more significant (in a cosmic sense) than anything else.



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If everyone actually subscribed to that self deprecating part of that "dichotomy" almost nobody would do anything human...


What do you mean by "...do anything human..."? :undecided:



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...so at least in our mental realm many of us are aesthetics...


What do you mean "...many of us are aesthetics..."?

From Aesthetics - Wikipedia:
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Aesthetics (also spelled æsthetics or esthetics) is a branch of philosophy dealing with the nature of beauty, art, and taste, and with the creation and appreciation of beauty. It is more scientifically defined as the study of sensory or sensori-emotional values, sometimes called judgments of sentiment and taste. More broadly, scholars in the field define aesthetics as "critical reflection on art, culture and nature." Aesthetics is a subdiscipline of axiology, a branch of philosophy, and is closely associated with the philosophy of art. Aesthetics studies new ways of seeing and of perceiving the world.






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...and somewhat narcissistic, so what? Just calling it out doesnt really say all that much...


I'm just putting it out t/here. :shrug:


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Re: Delusional Narcissistic Cosmic Significance [Re: Poid]
    #11419082 - 11/09/09 03:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

We know less than we think we do.


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Re: Delusional Narcissistic Cosmic Significance [Re: Poid]
    #11419116 - 11/09/09 03:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

there is only one atom
and it is none
other
than
reflections

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Re: Delusional Narcissistic Cosmic Significance [Re: rebus_minus]
    #11419650 - 11/09/09 05:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Fraggin said:
We know less than we think we do.


Who's "we"? :confused:



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there is only one atom
and it is none
other
than
reflections

:lol:


:lol:, ok...


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Re: Delusional Narcissistic Cosmic Significance [Re: andrewss]
    #11419678 - 11/09/09 05:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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This might be true to a degree on a case by case basis, but as a species I would say we are more significant than others on earth given one would give us kudos for being the most powerful species on earth. Though what does this really mean, I guess not all that much, but we are a diverse and pretty interesting animal species at least in comparison and I think thats worth some novelty.

If everyone actually subscribed to that self deprecating part of that "dichotomy" almost nobody would do anything human, so at least in our mental realm many of us are aesthetics and somewhat narcissistic, so what? Just calling it out doesnt really say all that much...





When we've been around as long as the dinosaurs I'll start to think we might just be a tiny bit special.

But what animal that could reflect on itself not think itself special.


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Re: Delusional Narcissistic Cosmic Significance [Re: Poid]
    #11419685 - 11/09/09 05:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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We know less than we think we do.




The collective conciousness of this planet.

One cannont simultaneously experience and understand a subjective system objectively.


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Re: Delusional Narcissistic Cosmic Significance [Re: Fraggin]
    #11419716 - 11/09/09 05:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The collective conciousness of this planet.


Can you prove that there's even a such thing?



Quote:

Fraggin said:
One cannont simultaneously experience and understand a subjective system objectively.


Can you elaborate on this statement?


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Re: Delusional Narcissistic Cosmic Significance [Re: Poid]
    #11419831 - 11/09/09 05:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Imagine you are an alien species that happens to stumble on our planet. What do you find?
A bunch of tool using primates who believe the universe was created soley for them and their desires, and better yet, it was created by a giant being who is in their image.

:cuckoo:

Yeah, Delusional Narcissistic Cosmic Significance.


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Re: Delusional Narcissistic Cosmic Significance [Re: Tropism]
    #11419837 - 11/09/09 05:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah, Delusional Narcissistic Cosmic Significance.


Yup! :highfive:


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Re: Delusional Narcissistic Cosmic Significance [Re: Poid]
    #11419858 - 11/09/09 05:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Fraggin said:
The collective conciousness of this planet.


Can you prove that there's even a such thing?

We as in teh collective we. The dumbest in invalids to most genius of physisists.

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One cannont simultaneously experience and understand a subjective system objectively.


Can you elaborate on this statement?




I've stated it as simple as I possibly can.


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Re: Delusional Narcissistic Cosmic Significance [Re: Fraggin]
    #11421439 - 11/09/09 09:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Fraggin said:
We as in teh collective we. The dumbest in invalids to most genius of physisists.


What about that fly that exists somewhere on a rock in Yosemite valley--is that thing part of this "collective consciousness"?



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I've stated it as simple as I possibly can.


Can you give some examples, then?

What do you mean by "subjective system"?


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Delusional Narcissistic Cosmic Significance [Re: Tropism]
    #11421476 - 11/09/09 09:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Tropism said:
Imagine you are an alien species that happens to stumble on our planet. What do you find?
A bunch of tool using primates who believe the universe was created soley for them and their desires, and better yet, it was created by a giant being who is in their image.

:cuckoo:

Yeah, Delusional Narcissistic Cosmic Significance.





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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Delusional Narcissistic Cosmic Significance [Re: Poid]
    #11421789 - 11/09/09 10:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Fraggin said:
We as in teh collective we. The dumbest in invalids to most genius of physisists.


What about that fly that exists somewhere on a rock in Yosemite valley--is that thing part of this "collective consciousness"?



Quote:

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I've stated it as simple as I possibly can.


Can you give some examples, then?

Wave function collapse.

What do you mean by "subjective system"?




Buy a dictionary. They're Marvelous objective systems.


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Re: Delusional Narcissistic Cosmic Significance [Re: Fraggin]
    #11421845 - 11/09/09 10:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

From Wave function collapse - Wikipedia:
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In quantum mechanics, wave function collapse (also called collapse of the state vector or reduction of the wave packet) is the process by which a wave function, initially in a superposition of different eigenstates, appears to reduce to a single one of the states after interaction with an observer. In simplified terms, it is the condensation of physical possibilities into a single occurrence, as seen by an observer. It is one of two processes by which quantum systems evolve in time according to the laws of quantum mechanics as presented by John von Neumann. The reality of wave function collapse has always been debated, i.e., whether it is a fundamental physical phenomenon in its own right or just an epiphenomenon of another process, such as quantum decoherence. In recent decades the quantum decoherence view has gained popularity. Collapse may be understood as a change in conditional probabilities.






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One cannont simultaneously experience and understand a subjective system objectively.


So why can one not simultaneously experience & understand a subjective system (e.g.- wave function collapse)? What about experiencing a subjective system prohibits one from understanding said system? Why does understanding a subjective system prohibit one from experiencing said system?


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Re: Delusional Narcissistic Cosmic Significance [Re: Poid]
    #11421868 - 11/09/09 10:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm the most important and beautiful :kiss: being in this entire universe!


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Re: Delusional Narcissistic Cosmic Significance [Re: deff]
    #11421894 - 11/09/09 10:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

^ Thats the spirit!


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Re: Delusional Narcissistic Cosmic Significance [Re: deff]
    #11421896 - 11/09/09 10:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's deff the trooff, nigga! :macdre:


:hehehe:


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