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How the drug and meditation synergy works. (Please Listen)
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Psychedelics simply make the tip of the iceberg surface at an alarming rate. Meditation is a slower and more stable way of doing this.


However Meditation + Entheogen = Temporary enlightenment

Most people can't Meditate while High because they are experiencing the Decompression of the Mind as the Iceberg surfaces.



I don't give a shit if you belive me or not try it out for yourself. Lol I can't wait till (OC/Swami) comes.

http://www.eoni.com/~visionquest/library/SOTH.html

Breathe in + then Breathe out -

They cancel eachother out.

the negative and positive

Represent the duality of the  +

            . Universe.

Eventualy duality is no more

As you come to the understanding

That duality never was.

Edited by Poptart (10/19/09 10:04 PM)

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Re: All drugs do is amplify your mind. [Re: Poptart]
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like totally

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Re: All drugs do is amplify your mind. [Re: Poptart]
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The drugs do, but the enlightenment they bring is fleeting.  Lasting change only comes through daily dedication.  I had a trip that changed my life at the time, but after a few years it's just a memory of my younger days.  I'd like to think it had some impact in shaping who I am today, but I'm still caught up in the life game with most of the rest of the world.


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I spit reality, instead of what you usually learn
and I refuse to be concerned with condescending advice
cause I'm the only motherfucker that can change my life

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Re: All drugs do is amplify your mind. [Re: Chespirito]
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If you need a drug to reach enlightenment, its not enlightenment?

:shrug:


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Word to your mom.

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Re: All drugs do is amplify your mind. [Re: Poptart]
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I agree with this.  Interesting post. :thumbup:

"...Eventualy duality is no more

As you come to the understanding

That duality never was." :awebig:

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Re: All drugs do is amplify your mind. [Re: PowerTrip]
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PowerTrip said:
The drugs do, but the enlightenment they bring is fleeting.  Lasting change only comes through daily dedication.  I had a trip that changed my life at the time, but after a few years it's just a memory of my younger days.  I'd like to think it had some impact in shaping who I am today, but I'm still caught up in the life game with most of the rest of the world.


That's because you still have attachments.

Let the present moment be your only attachment.

Then you will realize that is all their is.

Then the high won't be fleeting.

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Re: All drugs do is amplify your mind. [Re: BrainChemistry]
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Your brain is an electro-chemical machine.  Everything you perceive is due to the release of a drug that causes an electrical impulse.

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Re: All drugs do is amplify your mind. [Re: BrainChemistry]
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BrainChemistry said:
If you need a drug to reach enlightenment, its not enlightenment?

:shrug:


Enlightenment is synchronizing with the present moment...

Don't ask me how I know that.

Ever heard of the term carl jung coined? Synchronicity.

Think of gears turning. Or the gears in a clock.

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Re: All drugs do is amplify your mind. [Re: Poptart]
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Saying to "be here now" and actually do it are two different things.

Drugs make it much much easier to "be here now", and when used as tools, can be EXTREMELY beneficial in finding some spirituality in your life.

Just think - everything that you know/think - is an illusion. Some things are so mind blowing that your brain can't really comprehend - so we try and find words for such things, religion, spirituality, etc. Space is a good example of things that are just larger then our consciousness in a sober sense can really grasp. Tryptamines and psychedelics and whatever when used as tools can help you perceive such concepts in a much more "advanced" way, once "you" are out of the picture, everything suddenly appears much clearer, although the most far-fetched ideas such as creation and the universe in general I don't think can or will ever be understood, so what are we to do? I think the best method is simply to understand yourself, and upon doing so, everything else will make sense as well - but like I said, knowing something and REALLY KNOWING something are two different things and REALLY KNOWING something as complex as yourself can take years and years of dedicated meditation/drug therapy/self analytical therapy/etc. etc. and doing such is simply too much of a struggle for most Westerners to really grasp, especially when there's a good TV show on. My advice? Either go in and do it right, or don't bother, because all you're fooling is yourself.


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koods said:
Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus.
Life-long trip report

Edited by pfxtc (10/19/09 10:42 PM)

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Re: All drugs do is amplify your mind. [Re: pfxtc]
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pfxtc said:
Saying to "be here now" and actually do it are two different things.

Drugs make it much much easier to "be here now", and when used as tools, can be EXTREMELY beneficial in finding some spirituality in your life.


Only if that is what you are looking for though.

Don't open doors you aren't ready to open.

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Re: All drugs do is amplify your mind. [Re: Poptart]
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Poptart said:
pfxtc said:
Saying to "be here now" and actually do it are two different things.

Drugs make it much much easier to "be here now", and when used as tools, can be EXTREMELY beneficial in finding some spirituality in your life.


Only if that is what you are looking for though.

Don't open doors you aren't ready to open.


Well personally I never thought drugs could be used as tools in a way to find your own spirituality, but drugs have without my permission completely opened the doors to a new, more spiritual me, which is probably the greatest benefit I received from using various psychedelics.

So what I'm saying is that I don't think most people are even "aware" of these doors and what these drugs are really capable of in the first place. Most people I think tend to take such experiences as just another experience and move on with their lives, but a few including myself tend to hold on to such experiences and expand upon them and such experiences carry over into one's everyday life.


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koods said:
Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus.
Life-long trip report

Edited by pfxtc (10/19/09 10:46 PM)

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Re: All drugs do is amplify your mind. [Re: BrainChemistry]
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BrainChemistry said:
If you need a drug to reach enlightenment, its not enlightenment?


Agreed, you aren't enlightened, you're high :imslow:


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Live for the moment you are in now
Don't be bogged down by your past
Don't be afraid of what lies in your future

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Re: All drugs do is amplify your mind. [Re: niteowl]
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niteowl said:
BrainChemistry said:
If you need a drug to reach enlightenment, its not enlightenment?


Agreed, you aren't enlightened, you're high :imslow:


Not if you go into the high preparing to use the high to your advantage in obtaining a so-called "enlightenment".

I don't really believe in enlightenment though, I think it's just a word that's thrown around too much and is only a distraction from the true potential of these crazy drugs :crazy2:


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koods said:
Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus.
Life-long trip report

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Re: All drugs do is amplify your mind. [Re: niteowl]
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niteowl said:
BrainChemistry said:
If you need a drug to reach enlightenment, its not enlightenment?


Agreed, you aren't enlightened, you're high :imslow:



I haven't smoked for for at least 72 hours.

If I was high you would be able to tell.

And I'm not enlightened. I forgot about such silly notions long ago.

Btw hows your spine doing niteowl? If I remember correctly I think you mentioned having back problems? Has meditation/yoga been helping that? I was wondering because I like to do urban street running/parkour/free running. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkour

And I didn't transfer my energy correctly when I jumped once and I charlie horsed my leg.

And I am trying to heal faster through meditation/yoga/balanced diet and lifestyle.

I got to treat my body better.

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Re: All drugs do is amplify your mind. [Re: Poptart]
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I've had back/neck problems constantly for the last 2 weeks, it's a fucking bummer - I'm young too so it's kind of worrisome.


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koods said:
Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus.
Life-long trip report

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Re: All drugs do is amplify your mind. [Re: Poptart]
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Poptart said:
BrainChemistry said:
If you need a drug to reach enlightenment, its not enlightenment?

:shrug:


Enlightenment is synchronizing with the present moment...

Don't ask me how I know that.

Ever heard of the term carl jung coined? Synchronicity.

Think of gears turning. Or the gears in a clock.


I would tend to agree with you, but having a dependence on a drug to "sychronize" is missing the point entirely.

When people speak of "getting into the now", it is more than just paying attention to whats happening at the present moment....it is about understanding what actually is going on.

Drugs can't really give you this understanding,....at least not by themselves. A dependence an a drug is just making your mind fragmentary.

All of this is just my opinion.


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Word to your mom.

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Re: All drugs do is amplify your mind. [Re: BrainChemistry]
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BrainChemistry said:
Poptart said:
BrainChemistry said:
If you need a drug to reach enlightenment, its not enlightenment?

:shrug:


Enlightenment is synchronizing with the present moment...

Don't ask me how I know that.

Ever heard of the term carl jung coined? Synchronicity.

Think of gears turning. Or the gears in a clock.


I would tend to agree with you, but having a dependence on a drug to "sychronize" is missing the point entirely.

When people speak of "getting into the now", it is more than just paying attention to whats happening at the present moment....it is about understanding what actually is going on.

Drugs can't really give you this understanding,....at least not by themselves. A dependence an a drug is just making your mind fragmentary.

All of this is just my opinion.


I only smoke weed once every seven days and use each day to develop a specific chakra.

Just like the seven days of creation in the bible. On the seventh day I rest.

I'm synchronized without drugs. I only use it to study myself
(my breath) under the amplified state.

My internal and external reality have become one and I feel no more boundaries. It shows in the way I walk. Sober or stoned.

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Re: All drugs do is amplify your mind. [Re: pfxtc]
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pfxtc said:
I've had back/neck problems constantly for the last 2 weeks, it's a fucking bummer - I'm young too so it's kind of worrisome.


How does that affect Kundalini?

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Re: All drugs do is amplify your mind. [Re: Poptart]
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Poptart said:
pfxtc said:
I've had back/neck problems constantly for the last 2 weeks, it's a fucking bummer - I'm young too so it's kind of worrisome.


How does that affect Kundalini?


What? I don't practice yoga, which is what I think you're referring too. I'd love too, but it doesn't currently fit my lifestyle, I'll do it in the future though. And all I know is, it fucking hurts, and affects my ability to concentrate on things.


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koods said:
Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus.
Life-long trip report

Edited by pfxtc (10/20/09 12:25 AM)

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Re: All drugs do is amplify your mind. [Re: BrainChemistry]
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I have to disagree as well. I look at it like this,

Psychedelics open the door to Enlightenment and even let you see what lies behind the door. It is however closed when you come down. Even if you step through the door I do not think you could remain on the otherside when you come down. Whereas meditation lets you open the door bit by bit each day and eventually one day you will possibly have the ability to open the door, step through and stay there.

I love LSD. I love Mushooms. I love weed. I do not think however think they themselves could ever lead to "enlightenment". They can tell you which path to walk down but they cannot do the actual walking.

I will say though, Meditation really improves every high you will ever have. I meditate because quite frankly, I need too. If I didn't my OCD would be rampant and I would be having anxiety attacks all the time. Meditation gave me my life back. I find it hard to believe that so few people do it, it breaks my heart really. Surely I am not the only one who could be helped by it.


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With Allure I Look to the Sky With Awakened Eyes

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