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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: what do you think happens to the "soul" after suicide? [Re: z_x_x_z]
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all depends on state of consciousness


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Living A Wild Life-LawL

"Why are we here?" "I am here to help others, i don't know why the others are here"

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Re: what do you think happens to the "soul" after suicide? [Re: z_x_x_z]
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What was it like before you were born? I imagine it will be similar to that.

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Re: what do you think happens to the "soul" after suicide? [Re: Jaegar]
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its like that last scene in the last sopranos episode.


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Re: what do you think happens to the "soul" after suicide? [Re: Jaegar]
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It's a good question. I am convinced of a soul. I can only presume reincarnation, but I have a feeling we may be able to choose.

Fortunately it doesn't really matter :laugh: I mean, you're immortal after all


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Wherever the hero may wander, whatever he may do, he is ever in the presence of his own essence — for he has the perfected eye to see. There is no separateness. Thus, just as the way of social participation may lead in the end to a realization of the All in the individual, so that of exile brings the hero to the Self in all.

joseph campbell


For, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

jesus

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Re: what do you think happens to the "soul" after suicide? [Re: burgatory]
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Oh wait I misread the topic. No, I don't think it matters if it's a suicide or something/someone else kills you. There's no maddening morality like that.


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Wherever the hero may wander, whatever he may do, he is ever in the presence of his own essence — for he has the perfected eye to see. There is no separateness. Thus, just as the way of social participation may lead in the end to a realization of the All in the individual, so that of exile brings the hero to the Self in all.

joseph campbell


For, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

jesus

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Re: what do you think happens to the "soul" after suicide? [Re: z_x_x_z]
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dr_gonz said:
do you think whatever happens differs with suicide vs. normal death?

discuss


If ghosts exist, I believe they are human souls which committed suicide and/or murder. I think they probably get trapped in this realm for a very long time, at least until they get their minds on the right track. In my opinion, no human has the power to decide when he/she gets to leave this life, or when another human leaves for that matter, ie, committing murder. I think humans which do one of the two, inevitably get to stay exponentially longer than if they would've just waited it out. These souls probably have it much more difficult in the next life as well.


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Turn off your mind, relax and floatdown stream. It is not dying. Lay down all thought, surrender to the void. It is shining.
:darkside: Pink Floyd :darkside:

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Re: what do you think happens to the "soul" after suicide? [Re: z_x_x_z]
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dr_gonz said:
what do you think happens to the "soul" after suicide?

Why do you assume that there's even a such thing? :strokebeard:



dr_gonz said:
do you think whatever happens differs with suicide vs. normal death?

My retarded die-hard Catholic extended family members believe that you'll go to "hell" if you kill yourself, but I don't give a shit about what they believe because they are retarded. :tard:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: what do you think happens to the "soul" after suicide? [Re: Poid]
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I don't really see the difference, in both cases you're dead.
What's a soul? Where did you get that idea in the first place?

I'm a souless human and it feels damn fine. :smile:

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Re: what do you think happens to the "soul" after suicide? [Re: Kukaracha]
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Learn to use the "Quick Reply" feature. :mad:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: what do you think happens to the "soul" after suicide? [Re: Poid]
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Well, you can just imagine we are all sitting around a firecamp and I'm talking to you because you were the last one to speak.:thumbup:

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Re: what do you think happens to the "soul" after suicide? [Re: Kukaracha]
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I wanna pee it out! :piss:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: what do you think happens to the "soul" after suicide? [Re: z_x_x_z]
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No soul, no problems.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: what do you think happens to the "soul" after suicide? [Re: z_x_x_z]
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Please provide a satisfactory definition of soul.

Oops did I just end the thread -- my bad.


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Re: what do you think happens to the "soul" after suicide? [Re: laserpig]
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laserpig said:
Please provide a satisfactory definition of soul.



What's your definition of a satisfactory definition?


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Turn off your mind, relax and floatdown stream. It is not dying. Lay down all thought, surrender to the void. It is shining.
:darkside: Pink Floyd :darkside:

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Alright arguably any definition if pursued hard enough gets reduced to circularity or absurdity and is thus unsatisfactory ... but that ain't what I'm talking about here.

The idea of a "soul" is absurd from the start, and any attempt at a definition of it (at least that I've ever heard) makes this blatantly obvious.

"It's what survives after death." -- that's not a definition, that's an insane assumption.

"It's the real you that isn't made of matter." -- again, an assumption, not an actual description of anything. What's the basis for saying I'm not actually made of matter?  Why invent an entirely new class of entity which cannot possibly be investigated when physical laws already account for my existence and thought processes?


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Re: what do you think happens to the "soul" after suicide? [Re: laserpig]
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The soul theory is just like the God theory. :sadyes:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: what do you think happens to the "soul" after suicide? [Re: laserpig]
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laserpig said:
Alright arguably any definition if pursued hard enough gets reduced to circularity or absurdity and is thus unsatisfactory ... but that ain't what I'm talking about here.

The idea of a "soul" is absurd from the start, and any attempt at a definition of it (at least that I've ever heard) makes this blatantly obvious.

"It's what survives after death." -- that's not a definition, that's an insane assumption.

"It's the real you that isn't made of matter." -- again, an assumption, not an actual description of anything. What's the basis for saying I'm not actually made of matter?  Why invent an entirely new class of entity which cannot possibly be investigated when physical laws already account for my existence and thought processes?


Absurdity is the very nature of it, however, philosophy a lot about 'what ifs' or 'given this... then...', and one has to be open to definition. Context is more relevant than text-book definition to a great degree, and for cases of untestability, you have to bare patience because anything can be said about the metaphysical. Philosophy of religion, ethics, can be fun like that, though i always found logic more enthralling since it doesn't always allow for non-empirical claims. Besides, these laws you speak of, are essentially still work in progress, (granted in the last 30 years great ground has been covered in that area.)


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All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusions is called a philosopher. - Ambrose Bierce

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Re: what do you think happens to the "soul" after suicide? [Re: flangenips]
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You should read about people who had near death experiences during failed suicide attempts.

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Re: what do you think happens to the "soul" after suicide? [Re: oxalic32]
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Got any links?


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Re: what do you think happens to the "soul" after suicide? [Re: oxalic32]
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Our brains are amazing things with phenomenal power at creating detailed hallucinations. You could argue that hallucinations are real because they were created by our brain.

But in the objective world they have little to no validity only as a interesting phenomena. People need to learn critical thinking skills and get rid of what I consider childish beliefs.

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Re: what do you think happens to the "soul" after suicide? [Re: laserpig]
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I trieds googling "failed suicide attempt near death experience"
got book reviews and stuff, but nothing i felt interesting, some stuff on NDE - white light, end of tunnels , waking up a changed person etc.. the usual stuff.


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All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusions is called a philosopher. - Ambrose Bierce

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Re: what do you think happens to the "soul" after suicide? [Re: z_x_x_z]
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there is no such thing as a soul and once youre dead, you decay and go back to being elemental C, H, O and N just to be incorporated into another organic organism or just to stay elemental.

and that happens during both suicide and none-suicide death because either way, youre just not alive anymore.

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Re: what do you think happens to the "soul" after suicide? [Re: greenlrig]
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greenlrig said:
there is no such thing as a soul and once youre dead, you decay and go back to being elemental C, H, O and N just to be incorporated into another organic organism or just to stay elemental.

and that happens during both suicide and none-suicide death because either way, youre just not alive anymore.



How refreshing:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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death anxiety

The "soul" guarantees immortality.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Suicides become couriers, according to the Beetlejuice movie, carrying messages between departments.

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Quote:
You should read about people who had near death experiences during failed suicide attempts.


How does near-death = death ?

Or

Failed suicide attempt = successful suicide attempt?


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Re: what do you think happens to the "soul" after suicide? [Re: z_x_x_z]
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If every negative action has a equal reaction then commiting suicide is like murder be less severe since it was someone else.

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Re: what do you think happens to the "soul" after suicide? [Re: z_x_x_z]
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dr_gonz said:
do you think whatever happens differs with suicide vs. normal death?

discuss


Someone mentioned thinking what it was like before we were born. So in this case, we were dead once. I have imagined death to resemble pre-birth; Oblivion. If oblivion is true then there should be no difference between "normal" death vs. suicide.

Religeous belief (if any) and many other social variables will make a big difference in the way we approach that topic. Do we live near other people? Imagine the forces of peer pressure here. We never truly are absent of peer pressure originating either from our peers, elders or juniors. Our personal beliefs will be impacted in this manner. In this case, concerning the topic of death, how much do we ACTUALLY KNOW vs. being told from someone else and taking it at face value?

Do I think whatever happens differs with suicide vs. normal death? I have to say no by default.


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Thousands of candles can be lit from a single candle, and the life of the candle will not be shortened.
Happiness never decreases by being shared. - Prince Gautama Siddharta, the founder of Buddhism, 563-483 B.C.

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