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'heaven' isa frame of mind...not a place for dead people
    #11278755 - 10/19/09 07:15 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: 'heaven' isa frame of mind...not a place for dead people [Re: Muppet]
    #11278844 - 10/19/09 07:30 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Who was Brenda Carlisle?

Jeopardy is fun! :birthday:


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Re: 'heaven' isa frame of mind...not a place for dead people [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11278904 - 10/19/09 07:39 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Heaven is established in the present, as a frame of body and mind - they are the same thing but I separate them to point out the body creates a state of ecstasy when in this state. This state is natural and is discoverable naturally.

There is no such thing as dead people. We are eternal beings inhabiting mortal bodies to live finite lives to evolve our souls in a divine play.

Maybe you can say there are different heavens, like for example the opiate heaven, or the cannibas mellow heaven, or the MDMA heaven... these are all heavens, but being unnaturally achieved they are not the true heaven and that leads cynical people like me (;)) to think that such states aren't 'supposed' to be reached, that there's really nothing out there for us, but when you find a state of ecstasy naturally, a divine bliss which is your true nature, you realise you were just fooling yourself all along.


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Wherever the hero may wander, whatever he may do, he is ever in the presence of his own essence — for he has the perfected eye to see. There is no separateness. Thus, just as the way of social participation may lead in the end to a realization of the All in the individual, so that of exile brings the hero to the Self in all.

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Re: 'heaven' isa frame of mind...not a place for dead people [Re: burgatory]
    #11279396 - 10/19/09 08:47 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

proof?


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Re: 'heaven' isa frame of mind...not a place for dead people [Re: dr_gonz]
    #11279573 - 10/19/09 09:14 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Personal experience is the only proofs available for this sort of thing. I don't know how or why it comes, but it has soimething to do with you being God.  :sunny:


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For, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

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Re: 'heaven' isa frame of mind...not a place for dead people [Re: Muppet]
    #11279578 - 10/19/09 09:15 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

If what you say is true, and ones heaven is a 'death-by-chocolate' dessert. And they died from eating it.
Then they have gone to heaven and died, as opposed to the the archetypal died and gone to heaven scenario.
Interesting way to go, I wonder how many, on average, have ever died 'in heaven'


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Re: 'heaven' isa frame of mind...not a place for dead people [Re: flangenips]
    #11282785 - 10/20/09 11:18 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

probably not too many I would imagine



though I could certainly see how the confusion around this term would have naturally arose from people constantly 'preaching' about being in this frame of mind when the time for you to move on finally comes to pass  :yesnod:


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