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Re: Pereskiopsis Help Needed! [Re: theMallacht]
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Lophophora can and does adjust to full sun conditions like MANY other plants.

Reddening is a natural defense mechanism that occurs so that excess light can be reflected..
A few examples:

Venus Flytraps (Dionaea genus, seen the red cultivars? Only grow red in high light conditions)
Trichocereus (Pachanoi, Bridgesii, Peruvianus, the blue coloring? Sunscreen.)
Haworthia Coarctata
Lophophora genus.

Most literature DOES state that they are found growing in shade and the likely reason behind this is that full sun will not kill a medium or larger specimen with an established root system, but WILL kill a younger less established plants (I.E. Seedlings.).

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Although the areas it is commonly found in are usually very dry and receive much harsh direct sunlight, the cactus itself often grows in the shade of another cactus or nearby shrub.


This quote says it how it is.. They are often found growing in an area which is partially shaded for a part of the day.. However, it uses the word 'often' and not 'always' because it is not an absolute. In cultivation shade is generally preferable because the plants are not nearly as hardened as their wild counterparts. Given a large enough root system they can and will thrive in full lighting conditions.

Another couple of factors worth mentioning include the cephalium and climate. The cephalium and wool acts *just* like cactus spines in that they will elongate, thicken, and grow both with age and depending on lighting conditions to offer protection to the plant from sun in the form of a physical barrier. Also as I said climate.. The lighting conditions in most specific areas are not equivalent to what you would find in a scorching desert, the intensity is variable so I would imagine that in many areas they can take full sun without ever even reddening.

There are of course other factors to consider as well.. Watering schedule, general cloud conditions (Climate again), the root system as mentioned, temperature of course..

In short, while the literature may say that full sun is not optimal, it works fine. I find more often then not that professionals will advise readers to a 'safer' of two options due to restraints on size an article or not wanting to overload them or etc.. So in short, this information simply may be omitted under the pretense that its 'better safe then sorry' to suggest shade to the reader.

Partial shade from scorching desert sun IS what Lophophora *wants*. It however provides for itself in absence of a natural source via reddening (NOT sunburn, big difference) and producing larger and longer wool to shade itself. A Lophophora grown outside of at least several hours of full sun would likely never produce pronounced wool. The reddening is a normal defense mechanism that this plant has evolved because it CAN grow in full sun without detrimental effects... Perhaps a thousand years ago if a Lophophora's shade tree died or fell, the specimen would also die, but now days this is not the case.



I grow mine in full sun, have for two years now to no ill effect. It is not at all bad advice if you have some prior knowledge of cacti and know how to acclimate something slowly.


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Mr. Mushrooms said:
themallacht said:
All... So the redness is just like when Lophs get red.... More water... Makes sense. Thanks


No, the redness in Lophs is usually due to someone not realizing they are a shade plant.  It's called sunburn.


Just so that some newb doesent read this I want to clear it up.. Reddening is not sunburn when it comes to plants. Actual sunburn (which causes the tissue to die) is at first yellow ('warning' stage) then turns to either white or brown. If it reaches the stage where it turns yellow one can move the plant into shade quickly and often times the plant will not have permanently scarred tissue. Once the tissue reaches brown or white, it IS dead and will be scarred permanently and/or until the plant outgrows it. Reddening is the plants defense against this, not exactly an inclination that actual tissue damage is inevitable.

Also, Nothing in nature is ever an absolute, so I think it's quite misguided to call their suggestion of full sun out as bad advice in this situation. Even if you think shade is optimal (in the end it is, the plants natural defenses tell us it wants some protection) then it is still misguided to call it bad advice because some people like the aesthetics of a wooly and hardened Lophophora specimen.

-M

Edited by Methadone (10/25/09 12:19 PM)

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Re: Pereskiopsis Help Needed! [Re: Methadone]
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my wild lophs. not poached but these get no lovin from me and are hardgrown. south texas summer heat and sun survivors.


they receed into the ground like peyote in natural habitat. thats what these did. i had to brush of the dirt from on top of the button just to know it was there. then fall came in and it rained straight for several days. 1 pupped and all of them are loving the mild weather we've been having.

full sun and loving it.


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Nature is my church and walking through it is gospel. It tells no lies and reveals all to those who look, and listen, closely.
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Re: Pereskiopsis Help Needed! [Re: Methadone]
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That's a lot of theory with few facts to back it up.  Plain and simple, I'll consider your advice just as bad until you can provide something substantive to back it up.

One thing about the Shroooooomery, you can always find someone willing to argue against the facts.  It's a young guy thing.

Glad to meet you, Professor.  :smirk:


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Re: Pereskiopsis Help Needed! [Re: ferrel_human]
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ferrel_human said:
my wild lophs. not poached but these get no lovin from me and are hardgrown. south texas summer heat and sun survivors.


they receed into the ground like peyote in natural habitat. thats what these did. i had to brush of the dirt from on top of the button just to know it was there. then fall came in and it rained straight for several days. 1 pupped and all of them are loving the mild weather we've been having.

full sun and loving it.



I've seen 'em.  I don't buy it.  You're from Texas, right?

Where's all the fuzz Methadone was prattling about?


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Re: Pereskiopsis Help Needed! [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
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too long to read but those are mine.  full sun and loving it. the proof is there whether you belive it or not. they just love it. they did get reall ugly at first. and i thought they would die but they didn't. i never water them whatsoever. i want natural looking plants.


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Nature is my church and walking through it is gospel. It tells no lies and reveals all to those who look, and listen, closely.
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Re: Pereskiopsis Help Needed! [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
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Mr. Mushrooms said:
That's a lot of theory with few facts to back it up.  Plain and simple, I'll consider your advice just as bad until you can provide something substantive to back it up.

One thing about the Shroooooomery, you can always find someone willing to argue against the facts.  It's a young guy thing.

Glad to meet you, Professor.  :smirk:



Please outline the 'theories' I stated and then I'll consider a worthwhile response...
:shrug:


Oh, and while you're at it, care to share some photos of your Lophs? Certainly you arent just going off of information you have read? Surely you have some hands on knowledge of what you're talking about?

Someone here once asked me the same and I provided...

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I've seen 'em.  I don't buy it.  You're from Texas, right?

Where's all the fuzz Methadone was prattling about? 


Lmao.

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they receed into the ground like peyote in natural habitat. thats what these did. i had to brush of the dirt from on top of the button just to know it was there. then fall came in and it rained straight for several days. 1 pupped and all of them are loving the mild weather we've been having.


Why would they have fuzz if they had receded into the ground? :wink:


I dont know why someone wants to argue with the reality and instead follow what he read.. Must be an old guy thing :wink:

:seriousbusiness:

-M

Edited by Methadone (10/25/09 01:15 PM)

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